<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>This is a bit of a contradiction</div><div><br></div><div>1. You +1 norbert saying that international civil society should not participate in this process</div><div><br></div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div>2. You hope that untainted top US cryptographers follow their UK colleagues. If the UK colleagues are expected not to participate in this process ..</div><div><br></div><div>As it is, cryptographers from the USA are very active on this - and not all of them are NSA stooges, strange as it may sound in the paranoia laden atmosphere here.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 17-Sep-2013, at 6:44, "Louis Pouzin (well)" <<a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">pouzin@well.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>+1 Quite right Norbert.<br></div>Let's see whether untainted top US cryptographers <br>will echo their UK colleagues.<br><br></div>Louis<br>- - -<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I support calls to international civil society to provide feedback to<br>
the US government about their transborder human rights violations,<br>
namely that those human rights violations are not acceptable, and I<br>
think that IGC should also provide such feedback.<br>
<br>
I do not support the idea that international civil society should<br>
participate in US national processes or specification review and/or<br>
standardization. Such participation, if it were to become significant,<br>
would have the undesirable side-effect to strengthen the de facto<br>
international role in Internet governance of those US national<br>
processes.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br></blockquote></div></div></div>
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