<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>And those that stay rooted in the past remain there. </div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:100%">--srs</div></div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> <br>Date: 09/15/2013 8:51 PM (GMT+05:30) <br>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org,'Suresh Ramasubramanian' <suresh@hserus.net>,'Carlos Vera Quintana' <cveraq@gmail.com> <br>Cc: "'Louis Pouzin (well)'" <pouzin@well.com>,'parminder' <parminder@itforchange.net> <br>Subject: RE: [governance] NSA sabotage of Internet security standards <br> <br><br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Suresh Ramasubramanian<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Carlos Vera Quintana<br><b>Cc:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Louis Pouzin (well); parminder<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] NSA sabotage of Internet security standards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes and in 2000 a lot of us were using 56k dialup modems too. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It would be good to focus on this specific process.<br><br>--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 15-Sep-2013, at 19:47, Carlos Vera Quintana <<a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com">cveraq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Remember: until 2000 in the Clinton's administration IE with 128 bits encryption was under export control (25 years in jail) and only for American citizens <br><br>Carlos Vera Quintana<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">0988141143<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sígueme @cveraq<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>El 15/09/2013, a las 9:03, "Louis Pouzin (well)" <<a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">pouzin@well.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Participate. <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/government-announces-steps-to-restore-confidence-on-encryption-standards/?_r=0" target="_blank">http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/government-announces-steps-to-restore-confidence-on-encryption-standards/?_r=0</a><br><br>--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>> government-announces-steps-to-restore-confidence-on-encryption-standards<br> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best quote of the day, so cutely childish.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The trend is no secret: user open source encryption and States standards.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Louis<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body>