<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The internet is quite changeable and applications on it are too.  However, it takes </div><div><br></div><div>1. A valid proposal</div><div>2. Valid use cases</div><div>3. An orderly transition plan</div><div><br></div><div>before any sort of significant change is possible in any mature system at all, even one that isn't used by people around the world.</div><div><br></div><div>It requires rather different skills than just political polemic to accomplish this though</div><div><br></div><div>Lessigisms such as "code is law" (or architecture is policy for that matter) aren't any particular good in this situation, any more than other overly broad generalizations are, reduced to soundbite quotes or not.</div><div><br></div><div>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 06-Sep-2013, at 9:58, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 06 September 2013 09:04 AM,
      Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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      <div>In the Australian election week, I noticed in the Pirate's
        Party manifesto at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://getawarrant.org.au/:">http://getawarrant.org.au/:</a></div>
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      <div>"The Pirate Party will push for negotiations to begin on an
        international treaty for a free and open Internet.<br>
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        In 2012, the United Nations passed a landmark resolution that
        declared the Internet to be a fundamental human right. The same
        rights that people take for granted offline must be also
        enshrined online. An international treaty can guarantee this
        now and for future generations."</div>
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      <div>Naïve, or ahead of the curve?</div>
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    Well, ahead of curve only if we want to wait till the architecture
    of the global Internet, and social processes building on it, is
    firmly set and too late to be changed. And this will be soon.
    Remembe the adage 'architecture is policy' and so a policy coming
    too later after the architecture is rather useless. <br>
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    I really dont understand why and how people say things like it is
    too early to begin talking of international arrangements - also
    knowing that even once you begin talking about them in a positive
    manner it may take years for them to get off the ground.... In fact
    it is already getting late. Around WSIS, the Internet pioneers and
    evangelists still held some high ground and people were ready to
    develop global frameworks based on such ideals - give or take some.
    As more and more malignant interests have discovered how to control
    the Internet and make it deliver for them, the chances of such
    agreements in fact recede. In the circumstances, what really is the
    case for holding that to begin talking abut such agreements may be
    ahead of time, far worse, it being naive? <br>
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    Meanwhile, of course OECD is going ahead full steam to make global
    Internet policy and policy frameworks.... I think we need to get
    real, sooner the better. I mean if we are really thinking global
    democracy and global public interest, <br>
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    parminder <br>
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