<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Arent those business agreements subject to specific jurisdictions? Are those business entities and ISP completely free from any state law? Shouldnt they be at least incorporated according to specific bodies of regulation? If so, it is really hard to envision from a practical perspective the idea of denationalization. No matter how transnational the activities are.<br><br><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">--</div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Sent from mobile device</div></div><div><br>Em 31/08/2013, às 08:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> escreveu:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Governance of internet routing depends on business agreements between ISPs</span><br><span></span><br><span>Only rarely is it mandated by law to keep local traffic local - china and some other countries do it, either for filtering / lawful intercept / prevention of foreign lawful intercept, or to force ISPs to save itnernational bandwidth when a dominant player in the industry doesnt want to peer.</span><br><span></span><br><span>So there's no politics here beyond the usual backbiting - and the rest is as mctim says.</span><br><span></span><br><span>--srs (iPad)</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 31-Aug-2013, at 17:10, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:37 AM, JFC Morfin <<a href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com">jefsey@jefsey.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><snip></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Governance of Internet routing is largely denationalized now.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From reading you (I am not a specialist of lower layers) I understood it was</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"internationalized", the world being used to mean "US coordinated</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>international cooperation" as per Zbigniew Brzezin'ski?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The USG has zero control over routing of non USG networks. In other</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>words, networks control their own routing. the USG has nothing to do</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>with routing them.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>route indicates how we get there." 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