<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Dear Carlos,<br><br>I did not say there were rules. I did not suggest that a WG members's organization could not/should not submit a contribution; on the contrary I would expect organizations like APC, IT For Change (ISOC, ICANN, etc etc) to submit comments, and hope they do. But I am uncomfortable with a WGEC member shopping around such contributions so they become a statement of some stakeholder group or sub-set of (and I guess by association imbued with some greater weight etc.) <br></blockquote><div><br></div>And if a WG members's organization does this, it would seem reasonable to expect the member to remain neutral, if not recused, when contrary CS views/inputs are discussed so that the full diversity of perspectives is allowed to blossom and no false sense of uniformity is established.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Please relax, read what people have to say. We are still allowed opinions I hope.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Adam<br><br><br><br>On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Avri, I respect your position, of course.<br><br>My understanding is that we are in the WGEC (like some of us were in the<br>WGIG) because we are expected to bring to the dialogue what we think are<br>the views of the stakeholders we are supposed to represent, and I think<br>the questionnaire is a good (although imperfect) instrument to help<br>convey these views. So, even if WGEC members themselves decided to<br>respond and provide their views, I would welcome it.<br><br>Thus, I do not agree we should exclude the organizations we are related<br>to from this survey, and this is the position of several other<br>participants who are helping to build institutional responses to the<br>questionnaire.<br><br>fraternal regards<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>On 08/29/2013 04:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br><br>I do not know Adam's reasons.<br><br>I know my own reasons for not doing so. <br><br>I think that in order to the job in WGEC as I feel I should do it, I should not be arguing for responses I have crafted, but rather should be taking the input from others who are commenting, and from the respective and understanding I bring, do the analysis. For myself I beleive that if I contributed to the writing of several proposals I would risk my objectivity in taking the work of others and treating it fairly in the context of WGEC. I also beleive that my contributions in the WGEC might be colored, as if arguments I would make in the WGEC were just a bolstering of opinions I had put before the group in many other ways.<br><br>I am speaking only for myself and the way I think such appointments should be handled. This is why I avoided active participation in any of the several efforts I might have engaged in.<br><br>You are right, there was no rule. I am just doing the job in the best way I know how. I have followed this process many time before and find it works for me.<br><br>avri<br><br><br><br>On 29 Aug 2013, at 13:57, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi people, as a member of WGEC, I do not recall any decision that would<br>preclude its members' organizations from presenting their responses to<br>the questionnaire. As is well known, WGEC (like the MAG) members are<br>there in their personal capacities as members of stakeholder groups, not<br>as reps or "ambassadors" of their respective organizations. Where did<br>you get this from, Adam?<br><br>fraternal regards<br><br>--c.a.<br><br>On 08/29/2013 08:07 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><br>On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br><br>Perhaps he was referring to the statement Parminder is sending around looking for support. It is perhaps confusing having two statements in circulation: one by the Best Bits and one by Parminder who is a participant in both the Best Bits collective and a member of the WGEC.<br><br></blockquote><br>Yes, not so good when working group members are advising themselves in this way, multiple ways. The IT for Change position makes many unsubstantiated claims, and again repeats that the Internet is a global commons, which it clearly is not (what's the point of engaging in honest debate on this list if ignored for the sake of some political doctrine?) And bestbits, which I personally disagree with enough not to be able to support, but it much more thoughtful, but is also somewhat undermined by having WG members as authors. Poor process.<br><br>Adam<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">avri<br><br>On 28 Aug 2013, at 06:57, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 27/08/2013, at 12:13 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 27-Aug-2013, at 7:21, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Although the Caucus is a little fractured at the moment, Norbert and Sala might nevertheless wish to gauge the feeling of the Caucus towards signing on corporately.<br><br></blockquote><br>It would help gain broader consensus if the worst bits of that statement were removed.<br><br>Bringing ICANN under UN oversight, really? <br></blockquote><br>Since there is nothing in the submission that suggests that, I have to ask, did you read it?<br><br>-- <br>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers<br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599<br><br>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub |<a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a><br><br>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a><br><br>Read our email confidentiality notice. 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