<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think we can certainly make a strong enough argument against blocking the internet or specific websites solely for political / other censorship [distinct from security and antispam related filtering] without having to use an extreme analogy like human rights violations.</div><div><br></div><div>And I agree with Diego that the Internet is not a basic and non negotiable need like food clothing and shelter, clean air etc.</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 12-Aug-2013, at 22:28, Diego Rafael Canabarro <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:19px">denied access to water just for a week simply because one man or a group of malicious individuals want it to be so"? </span><div>
<span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:19px"><br></span></div><div>Are you sure that this is the best example to be contrasted to Internet shortage? <span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:19px"><br>
</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:19px;text-align:justify">"Today we eat, drink and respire the Internet"</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:19px;text-align:justify"><br>
</span></div><div>We? </div><div>As far as I am concerned, roughly 35% of the World have access to the Internet. </div><div><br></div><div>11% of the World does not have access to quality water (and WB is still working with some very ridiculous concepts that compute people who have access to a tap within a range of hundreds of yards or so from their homes). We could talk about food that we really eat. Or the quality of air that we really breathe in great part of the World. So I really think we should get things straight before overestimate the Internet that much. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:53 PM, International Ivission <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Hi Enviado,</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif">
<span><br></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US">In the past we have seen cases where dictators shut
down the entire network in their country during sensitive periods like
elections!</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span lang="EN-US">This is a voluntary and malicious act that can be
proven and the source detected.</span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span lang="EN-US">Be it DDoS or a total black out, the damage is beyond
repairs and someone should pay for it.</span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span lang="EN-US">This does not exclude the fact that for some extreme
cases, the Internet could be frozen in a given time, but this again should be
given a legal backing either by ICANN, ITU etc. depending on who is who in the
Internet governance.</span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span lang="EN-US"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span><span lang="EN-US">Imagine that the city of Tehran or Kinshassa or New
York or Hong Kong is denied access to water just for a week simply because one
man or a group of malicious individuals want it to be so?</span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US">The number of incidents and casualties will not be
different from genocide.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US">Today we eat, drink and respire the Internet, and most
of all, THE INTERNET IS FOR EVERYONE<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span lang="EN-US">The question of the day should be?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span lang="EN-US">-<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span><span lang="EN-US">What
should we do to empower the infrastructures and institutions in place to humanize
the Internet and attribute a living and healthy environment to it<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US">-<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span><span lang="EN-US">How can
the concept of net neutrality and the freedom of the Internet be protected?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
<span lang="EN-US">-<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">
</span></span><span lang="EN-US">In the
same way world leaders are struggling to combat climate change by humanizing
the Internet, we should be pondering on how to render the Internet sustainable
for the next generation of users. <u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="im"><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify">
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<div class="hm HOEnZb"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> Diego Canabarro <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com" target="_blank">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> International Ivission <<a href="mailto:ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr</a>>;
"<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>; Tim McGinnis <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 12 août 2013 15h48<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Re: [governance] CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE INTERNET<br> </font> </div></div>
<div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div><div>Also, is that the only means to acquire one of such goods or values?</div><div>Doesnt seem so. Crimes against humanity are heinous actions. Trying to stretch that concept to encompass things which are not necessarily more than ordinary inconvenience can either generate unnecessary spirals of violence or put in dangerous the legitimacy of international law.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It doesnt mean though that we should not discuss the eventual (and mere) wrongfulness of blocking
in specific cases.<br><br>Enviado via iPhone</div><div><br>Em Aug 12, 2013, às 9:18 AM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> escreveu:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:Arial">It is a more nuanced position than that. <br><br>Block temporarily in case a machine is hacked and emitting ddos traffic? <br><br>Block a spammer who sets up servers in a datacenter? <br>
<br>I would hesitate to sign on to any statement that conflated all types of blocking and human rights violations. <br><br>--srs (htc one x) <br><br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "International Ivission" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">ivissioninternational@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
To: "<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>, "McTim" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [governance] CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE INTERNET<br>Date: Mon, Aug 12, 2013 6:30 PM<br><br></span><br>CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE INTERNET<br><br>The notion of crime against humanity is more or less<br>associated with the shed of human blood, but when I deeply evaluated
the<br>consequences that Internet blockages can provoke, I was convinced it’s time to<br>redefine the notion of CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.<br><br>The Internet is not just a tool to send and receive mails.<br>It transcends all the social sectors from; Health, Banking, Import/Export,<br>
Education, Judiciary, defense etc. So<br>any one government, individual or group of individuals that chooses to block<br>the Internet from its citizens will be causing an irreparable damage to his own<br>people.<br><br>
Blocking the Internet in this age means stopping<br>
citizens from doing business, from communicating, from getting good education<br>and health services, from traveling, from defending their basic rights etc.<br>I want to believe that blocking<br>the Internet should be considered as crime against humanity.<br>
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Envoyé le : Lundi 12 août 2013 14h38<br>Objet : Re: [governance] WGEC - Questionnaire<br> <br><br>Sala,<br><br>Why are we submitting a reply as a
group?<br><br>Norbert said just a few hours ago that we should not. I quote his mail:<br><br>"I think that it is the variety of responses that is<br>going to make this questionnaire exercise valuable; what would be the<br>
benefit of civil society trying to agree on a single set of answers?"<br><br>I think I agree with him on this one.<br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br><br>On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear All,<br>><br>> The Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation in its recent questionnaire has<br>> invited public input. Individuals are free to provide your input directly
on<br>> the link that Joy kindly provided, see: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://unctad.org/en/Pages/CSTD.aspx" target="_blank">http://unctad.org/en/Pages/CSTD.aspx</a><br>> There is something to be gained in filling it corporately as an IGC as it<br>
> will enable us to see how others view and appreciate diverse perspectives<br>> although this has been subjected to rigorous debate in the past. I believe<br>> though that we can collaborate and coordinate a response as an IGC. To this<br>
> end here are some extracts of the questions, and we invite your response.<br>><br>> In submitting your response, please do so by putting your name eg.<br>><br>> Q. What is the tallest building?<br>><br>
> [Sala T] The tallest building is.......<br>><br>> (This will help us consolidate the feedback. We can leave this open for 7<br>> days to allow us to develop a draft response which will be put to the list<br>
> for further
comment.)<br>><br>> 2. What do you think is the significance, purpose and scope of enhanced<br>> cooperation as per the Tunis Agenda? a) Significance b) Purpose c) Scope *<br>><br>><br>><br>> 3. To what extent has or has not enhanced cooperation been implemented?<br>
> Please use the space below to explain and to provide examples to support<br>> your answer. *<br>><br>><br>><br>> 4. What are the relevant international public policy issues pertaining to<br>> the Internet? *<br>
><br>><br>> 5. What are the roles and responsibilities of the different stakeholders,<br>> including governments, in implementation of the various aspects of enhanced<br>> cooperation? *<br>><br>><br>
> 7. How can enhanced cooperation enable other stakeholders to carry out their<br>> roles and responsibilities? *<br>><br>> 8. What are the most appropriate mechanisms to fully implement enhanced<br>>
cooperation as recognized in the Tunis Agenda, including on international<br>> public policy issues pertaining to the Internet and public policy issues<br>> associated with coordination and management of critical Internet resources?<br>
> *<br>><br>><br>> 9. What is the possible relationship between enhanced cooperation and the<br>> IGF? *<br>><br>><br>> 10. How can the role of developing countries be made more effective in<br>> global Internet governance? *<br>
><br>><br>> 11. What barriers remain for all stakeholders to fully participate in their<br>> respective roles in global Internet governance? How can these barriers best<br>> be overcome? *<br>><br>><br>
> 12. What actions are needed to promote effective participation of all<br>> marginalised people in the global information society? *<br>><br>><br>> 13. How can enhanced cooperation address key issues toward global, social<br>
>
and economic development? *<br>><br>><br>> 14. What is the role of various stakeholders in promoting the development of<br>> local language content? *<br>><br>> 15. What are the international internet-related public policy issues that<br>
> are of special relevance to developing countries? *<br>><br>> 16. What are the key issues to be addressed to promote the affordability of<br>> the Internet, in particular in developing countries and least developed<br>
> countries? *<br>><br>> 17. What are the national capacities to be developed and modalities to be<br>> considered for national governments to develop Internet-related public<br>> policy with participation of all stakeholders? *<br>
><br>> 18. Are there other comments, or areas of concern, on enhanced cooperation<br>> you would like to submit? *<br>><br>> --<br>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>> P.O. Box 17862<br>> Suva<br>
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