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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 31 July 2013 01:19 PM,
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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<div>But if she doesn't approve and she doesn't not disapprove ..
it still means she doesn't approve of this. And the MAG has
collectively told the Indonesian local team to stop this
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While normally I try to restraint myself from responding , but this
is an important matter, and this is really twiating of facts, facts
that have clearly been stated on this list in the last few days...<br>
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So, no, the MAG collectively never told anything to the Indonesian
team.... I understand the matter never came before the MAG (which I
think it should have come). Only the MAG Chair and/ or IGF
secretariat seem to have conveyed their disapproval of the
controversial funding document/ strategy...<br>
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<div>so approval or disapproval or not disapproval is entirely
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It isnt. I have the right to discuss the political views presented
by the CS reps on the MAG, generally, but especially when their
nomination is supported by the IGC... Positions in power comes with
demands of accountability. A simple democratic norm.<br>
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<div>Also - you have said multiple times on this list that you
treat this as a political issue. </div>
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You dont seem to really understand what the meaning of the term
'political' is, and you simply take it to be a bad word.... Cant do
anything here.... Yes, to repeat; my, and my organisation's work,
is primarily political. <br>
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<div>If Anriette restates much the same thing, how does it become
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Whitewashing seems to have become the trend on this list, and there
is only that much time one can spend on un-doing the whitewashing...<br>
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parminder <br>
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On 31-Jul-2013, at 13:03, parminder <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 31 July 2013 05:20
AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<br>
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type="cite">She does not approve, you say <br>
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She does not disapprove, you say. <br>
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Precisely. And when I voice my concern about a civil society
member of the MAG, as the oversight body over IGF program etc,
taking such a neutral/ inactive position, I am told off by a
series of personal invectives. Not done, and I would not take
it. <br>
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And then you report her responding to your personal attack
to the co cos. <br>
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It would be interesting to see what the co cos think here. <br>
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I am too. Meanwhile if it has escaped the co cos notice, I cut
paste the relevant portions of my email below...<br>
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You tend to twist people's words in order to score
political points, <br>
Parminder. I find this tendency, and your general
readiness to launch <br>
into attack, very disappointing coming from someone (and
an <br>
organisation) whose views I generally respect. (Anriette)<br>
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I refer these ad hominem comment to the co-coordinators for
their views and decisions. I will wait for a week, till the
6th of August, to be told what views they have on these
comments and whether they propose any action. If I dont get
any response or get a response that no action is
contemplated, I will proceed to express my views on what I
think 'Anriette does' on this list in a similarly
unconstrained manner as she has expressed personalised views
about me... (Parminder)<br>
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On 30 July 2013 10:52:12 PM parminder <a
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On Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:35 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24:45PM +0530, parminder (<a
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href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>)
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>> On Tuesday 30 July 2013 01:33 AM, Anriette
Esterhuysen wrote: <br>
>>> Dear Parminder <br>
>>> <br>
>>> I did not say there is "nothing wrong with
the document". <br>
>> Anriette <br>
>> <br>
>> Your email to which I responded ends as follows <br>
>> <br>
>> " It seems that people feel the Idonesian
organising committee is <br>
>> selling influence in turn for sponsorship, but
don't really see <br>
>> evidence of that beyond the standard 'indirect'
influence of <br>
>> branding." <br>
>> It is absolutely appropriate then for me to say
that it is your <br>
>> position that there is nothing wrong with the
Indonesian organising <br>
>> group's strategy or with the concerned document .
I repeat it. <br>
>> Please justify how your above comment means
anything else. <br>
> Parminder, <br>
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> No offence intended but I'm utterly unable to
understand how <br>
> you can interpret Anriette's words the way you do. <br>
> I don't see anything in her words you're quoting as <br>
> indicating an approval of what the Indonesian group
did. <br>
Tapani <br>
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I did not speak of her approving, only of her not
disapproving ('nothing wrong with'), which is what her
words clearly amount to. ... ... parminder <br>
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