<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div> I also listened in as an observer.<br><br>There was a feedback from someone from Indonesia saying the Ministry of Economy and Finance is considering the "Bali" file.<br><br></div><div>And Chengetai that said "IGF 2013 will hold" <br></div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">The next MAG call will be Tuesday next week at 13h00 UCT (GMT)</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Hopefully, by then,we will begin to
know:</div><ol><li>If Indonesia is still HC<br></li><li>If Bali is still the venue</li><li>If the dates are still maintained</li></ol><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">N<span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span class="yui_3_7_2_54_1375276409441_59" style="font-family:courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;"></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family:courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;"></span><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:22 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Update from today's MAG call<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv9054647042"><div dir="ltr">I would add that 3 non-financial issues were raised - the access (providing visas) and freedom of expression provisions of the host country agreement (mentioned by Chengetai near the beginning of the meeting, and "Article 7" about security - mentioned by the spokesperson from Indonesia near the end. I had problems hearing properly what he was saying.<div>
Deirdre</div></div><div class="yiv9054647042gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv9054647042gmail_quote">On 31 July 2013 09:02, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv9054647042gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Here's a quick update from today's MAG call (I listened in as an<br>
observer.)<br>
<br>
Almost all of the discussion was around how to proceed in regard to the<br>
2013 IGF meeting. Markus said that cancellation is not an option. There<br>
are two serious expressions of interest from potential host countries<br>
to step in on short notice if Bali doesn't work out. Failing that,<br>
there's the option of having the meeting at the relevant UN HQ, which<br>
for the IGF would mean Geneva, but since it might be difficult to get<br>
so many rooms, that might mean that only a scaled down meeting could be<br>
held. Also hotel rooms can be problematic in Geneva. Google/Vint Cerf is<br>
willing to do a fundraising effort to try and save the Bali IGF. Some<br>
preliminary news, on the basis of which the MAG might be able to<br>
recommend something, is hoped for by the end of next week.<br>
<br>
The current recommendation is not to cancel flights to Bali that have<br>
already been booked, but also not to book a flight to Bali if you have<br>
not booked yet.<br>
<br>
The commercialization problem was only touched on briefly. Markus said<br>
that the basic rules are fairly simple: UN meetings cannot be<br>
commercialized, there can be no sponsor's logos on the premises of the<br>
UN meeting (and this rule has been enforced, he gave an example where a<br>
compromise had been made in which sponsor's banners were put up outside<br>
the premises of the UN meeting but in a place where they were visible<br>
from the meeting's cafeteria), the only thing that can be sold on the<br>
premises of the UN meeting is food and that has to be at a reasonable<br>
price.<br>
<br>
So it seems clear that the IGF is not in direct danger of getting<br>
commercialized - that objectionable Indonesian fundraising strategy has<br>
simply been declared dead.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
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