<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>But if she doesn't approve and she doesn't not disapprove .. it still means she doesn't approve of this. And the MAG has collectively told the Indonesian local team to stop this activity of theirs, so approval or disapproval or not disapproval is entirely moot here.</div><div><br></div><div>Also - you have said multiple times on this list that you treat this as a political issue. If Anriette restates much the same thing, how does it become ad hominem?</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 31-Jul-2013, at 13:03, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Precisely. And when I voice my concern about a civil society member
of the MAG, as the oversight body over IGF program etc, taking such
a neutral/ inactive position, I am told off by a series of personal
invectives. Not done, and I would not take it. <br>
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And then you report her responding to your personal attack to the
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It would be interesting to see what the co cos think here.
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I am too. Meanwhile if it has escaped the co cos notice, I cut paste
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You tend to twist people's words in order to score political
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I refer these ad hominem comment to the co-coordinators for their
views and decisions. I will wait for a week, till the 6th of
August, to be told what views they have on these comments and
whether they propose any action. If I dont get any response or get
a response that no action is contemplated, I will proceed to
express my views on what I think 'Anriette does' on this list in a
similarly unconstrained manner as she has expressed personalised
views about me...
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On 30 July 2013 10:52:12 PM parminder
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On Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:35 PM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24:45PM +0530, parminder
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>> On Tuesday 30 July 2013 01:33 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen
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>>> Dear Parminder
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>>> I did not say there is "nothing wrong with the
document".
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>> Anriette
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>> Your email to which I responded ends as follows
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>> " It seems that people feel the Idonesian organising
committee is
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>> selling influence in turn for sponsorship, but don't
really see
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>> evidence of that beyond the standard 'indirect'
influence of
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>> branding."
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>> It is absolutely appropriate then for me to say that it
is your
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Indonesian organising
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repeat it.
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>> Please justify how your above comment means anything
else.
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> Parminder,
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I did not speak of her approving, only of her not disapproving
('nothing wrong with'), which is what her words clearly amount
to. ... ... parminder
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