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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:59 PM,
      shaila mistry wrote:<br>
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        <div>It is also possible that everything was planned for and put
          in place, and at the eleventh hour they received additional
          costs from the UN.</div>
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    BTW, what is the source of the information that there was indeed a
    sudden additional costs been communicated from the UN, about the
    cost shown in the Indonesian funding strategy document.... parminder
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        <div>I also wonder if there was a political change of heart once
          the full impact of thee cost and principle of <span
            id="misspell-0" class=""><span>Internet</span></span>
          governance and the proposed debates.<br>
          <br>
          The net publicity generated by this "rumor could be catalytic
          in capturing the attention of key players which also could
          result in change of policy at UN level regarding funding  or
          offers of funding to come through for this year or for the
          next.<br>
          <br>
          Shaila <br>
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              the renaissance of composure !<br>
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              <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
                    style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Suresh
                Ramasubramanian <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">"governance@lists.igcaucus.org"</a>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>; Robert Guerra
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org"><rguerra@privaterra.org></a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                Internet Governance Caucus
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                Monday, July 29, 2013 5:14 AM<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                Re: [governance] <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">IGF</span>
                <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Cancelled</span>
                & thoughts about 2014<br>
              </font> </div>
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                  <div>Something on this scale is best prepared and
                    venues finalized like two years in advance.  And set
                    <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">timelines</span>
                    with deadlines for specific tasks prepared as
                    pointers for the successful local hosts.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>--<span id="misspell-7" class="mark">srs</span> (<span
                      id="misspell-8" class="mark">iPad</span>)</div>
                  <div><br>
                    On 29-Jul-2013, at 17:23, Robert Guerra <<a
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                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div><span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Izumi</span>,
                      <div><br>
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                      <div>Let met concur that I am hearing the same
                        thing from contacts in the country.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>As has been reported by other posts,
                        discussions and efforts are underway to 1.  see
                        if the event in the country can be saved, and 2.
                        develop possible contingency plans should the
                        event not be able to be hosted in Indonesia.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>While other discussions have focused on
                        options regarding dealing with the situation,
                        let me advance another issue - that being the
                        2014 <span id="misspell-10" class="mark">IGF</span>.
                        To my knowledge, no country has yet publicly
                        stated an offer to host the event. Hopefully, a
                        country that is far more able to support and
                        bring the political support needed to host the <span
                          id="misspell-11" class="mark">IGF</span> can
                        step forward. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>regards</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Robert</div>
                      <div><br>
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                      <div><br>
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                        <div>
                          <div>On 2013-07-28, at 12:22 AM, <span
                              id="misspell-12" class="mark">Izumi</span>
                            <span id="misspell-13" class="mark">AIZU</span>
                            wrote:</div>
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                              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
                                    style="font-size:14px;">Hi,</span></font></div>
                              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
                                    style="font-size:14px;">A friend who
                                    is with Indonesian Civil Society
                                    working with the</span></font></div>
                              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
                                    style="font-size:14px;">organizing committee sent
                                    me the following.</span></font></div>
                              <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
                                    style="font-size:14px;"><br>
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                                    style="font-size:14px;">------</span></font></div>
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                                    sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br>
                                  </span></div>
                                It's true that <span id="misspell-14"
                                  class="mark">IGF</span> 2013 committee
                                is facing financial problem and it's
                                likely to be <span id="misspell-15"
                                  class="mark">cancelled</span>. But, we
                                have not announced official notification
                                of the cancellation yet since now UN is
                                trying to help us finding resources to
                                cope with it. We will update later about
                                the result. </span>
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                                <span style="font-family:arial,
                                  sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-family:arial,
                                  sans-serif;font-size:14px;">T</span><span
                                  style="font-family:arial,
                                  sans-serif;font-size:14px;">hank you.</span>
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                                      sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br>
                                    </span></div>
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                                  sans-serif;font-size:14px;">----------</span></div>
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                              <div class="yiv5441403981gmail_quote">2013/7/28
                                Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  Given <span id="misspell-18"
                                    class="mark">marilla's</span> email,
                                  this appears to be a nonstarter, and
                                  so, moot.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  And it sounds very strange if some
                                  people were to continuously disparage
                                  a community or organization on the one
                                  hand, and demand sponsorship money
                                  from them on the other, on the grounds
                                  that the amount involved is hardly a
                                  rounding error in their revenue (or
                                  even their <span id="misspell-19"
                                    class="mark">ebitda</span>), just
                                  saying.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  --<span id="misspell-20" class="mark">srs</span>
                                  (<span id="misspell-21" class="mark">iPad</span>)<br>
                                  <div class="yiv5441403981HOEnZb">
                                    <div class="yiv5441403981h5"><br>
                                      On 27-Jul-2013, at 23:44, Norbert
                                      <span id="misspell-22"
                                        class="mark">Bollow</span> <<a
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                                        ymailto="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      > <span id="misspell-23"
                                        class="mark">Parminder</span>
                                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow"
                                        ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      >> All of them opposed UN
                                      funding for the <span
                                        id="misspell-24" class="mark">IGF</span><br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > Is there anyone who in view
                                      of the current debacle is still
                                      opposed to<br>
                                      > UN funding for the <span
                                        id="misspell-25" class="mark">IGF</span>?<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      >> but can they explain why
                                      they opposed 'committed' funding
                                      from <span id="misspell-26"
                                        class="mark">ICANN</span><br>
                                      >> collected Internet taxes,
                                      say of 2 million every year...
                                      Isn't that<br>
                                      >> the right model of
                                      funding the <span
                                        id="misspell-27" class="mark">IGF</span>
                                      , keeping if safe from <span
                                        id="misspell-28" class="mark">staist</span>
                                      as<br>
                                      >> well corporate
                                      controls....<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > I am not sure that <span
                                        id="misspell-29" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
                                      collection of domain name taxes is
                                      the right<br>
                                      > funding model for anything
                                      (it presupposes that domain names
                                      are sold<br>
                                      > for a price which makes them
                                      quite unaffordable to a very
                                      significant<br>
                                      > number of poor people) but as
                                      long as <span id="misspell-30"
                                        class="mark">ICANN's</span>
                                      funding model remains as<br>
                                      > it currently is, in view of <span
                                        id="misspell-31" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
                                      <span id="misspell-32"
                                        class="mark">financials</span>
                                      [1], funding at least a<br>
                                      > significant part of the cost
                                      of <span id="misspell-33"
                                        class="mark">IGF</span> meetings
                                      from <span id="misspell-34"
                                        class="mark">ICANN's</span>
                                      budget<br>
                                      > indeed makes a lot of sense.<br>
                                      > [1] <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                        href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/financials">http://www.icann.org/en/about/financials</a><br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > Greetings,<br>
                                      > Norbert<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > --<br>
                                      > Recommendations for effective
                                      and constructive participation in
                                      <span id="misspell-35"
                                        class="mark">IGC</span>:<br>
                                      > 1. Respond to the content of
                                      assertions and arguments, not to
                                      the person<br>
                                      > 2. Be conservative in what
                                      you send, be liberal in what you
                                      accept<br>
                                      ><br>
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                              <<<br>
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                              Institute for <span id="misspell-42"
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                              Society, <span id="misspell-43"
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