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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:59 PM,
shaila mistry wrote:<br>
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<div>It is also possible that everything was planned for and put
in place, and at the eleventh hour they received additional
costs from the UN.</div>
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BTW, what is the source of the information that there was indeed a
sudden additional costs been communicated from the UN, about the
cost shown in the Indonesian funding strategy document.... parminder
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<div>I also wonder if there was a political change of heart once
the full impact of thee cost and principle of <span
id="misspell-0" class=""><span>Internet</span></span>
governance and the proposed debates.<br>
<br>
The net publicity generated by this "rumor could be catalytic
in capturing the attention of key players which also could
result in change of policy at UN level regarding funding or
offers of funding to come through for this year or for the
next.<br>
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Shaila <br>
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the renaissance of composure !<br>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Suresh
Ramasubramanian <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>; Robert Guerra
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org"><rguerra@privaterra.org></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
Internet Governance Caucus
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, July 29, 2013 5:14 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [governance] <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">IGF</span>
<span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Cancelled</span>
& thoughts about 2014<br>
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<div>Something on this scale is best prepared and
venues finalized like two years in advance. And set
<span id="misspell-6" class="mark">timelines</span>
with deadlines for specific tasks prepared as
pointers for the successful local hosts.</div>
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<div>--<span id="misspell-7" class="mark">srs</span> (<span
id="misspell-8" class="mark">iPad</span>)</div>
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On 29-Jul-2013, at 17:23, Robert Guerra <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div><span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Izumi</span>,
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<div>Let met concur that I am hearing the same
thing from contacts in the country.</div>
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<div>As has been reported by other posts,
discussions and efforts are underway to 1. see
if the event in the country can be saved, and 2.
develop possible contingency plans should the
event not be able to be hosted in Indonesia.</div>
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<div>While other discussions have focused on
options regarding dealing with the situation,
let me advance another issue - that being the
2014 <span id="misspell-10" class="mark">IGF</span>.
To my knowledge, no country has yet publicly
stated an offer to host the event. Hopefully, a
country that is far more able to support and
bring the political support needed to host the <span
id="misspell-11" class="mark">IGF</span> can
step forward. </div>
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<div>regards</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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<div>On 2013-07-28, at 12:22 AM, <span
id="misspell-12" class="mark">Izumi</span>
<span id="misspell-13" class="mark">AIZU</span>
wrote:</div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">Hi,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">A friend who
is with Indonesian Civil Society
working with the</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">organizing committee sent
me the following.</span></font></div>
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It's true that <span id="misspell-14"
class="mark">IGF</span> 2013 committee
is facing financial problem and it's
likely to be <span id="misspell-15"
class="mark">cancelled</span>. But, we
have not announced official notification
of the cancellation yet since now UN is
trying to help us finding resources to
cope with it. We will update later about
the result. </span>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,
sans-serif;font-size:14px;">T</span><span
style="font-family:arial,
sans-serif;font-size:14px;">hank you.</span>
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<div class="yiv5441403981gmail_quote">2013/7/28
Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Given <span id="misspell-18"
class="mark">marilla's</span> email,
this appears to be a nonstarter, and
so, moot.<br>
<br>
And it sounds very strange if some
people were to continuously disparage
a community or organization on the one
hand, and demand sponsorship money
from them on the other, on the grounds
that the amount involved is hardly a
rounding error in their revenue (or
even their <span id="misspell-19"
class="mark">ebitda</span>), just
saying.<br>
<br>
--<span id="misspell-20" class="mark">srs</span>
(<span id="misspell-21" class="mark">iPad</span>)<br>
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On 27-Jul-2013, at 23:44, Norbert
<span id="misspell-22"
class="mark">Bollow</span> <<a
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> <span id="misspell-23"
class="mark">Parminder</span>
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wrote:<br>
><br>
>> All of them opposed UN
funding for the <span
id="misspell-24" class="mark">IGF</span><br>
><br>
> Is there anyone who in view
of the current debacle is still
opposed to<br>
> UN funding for the <span
id="misspell-25" class="mark">IGF</span>?<br>
><br>
>> but can they explain why
they opposed 'committed' funding
from <span id="misspell-26"
class="mark">ICANN</span><br>
>> collected Internet taxes,
say of 2 million every year...
Isn't that<br>
>> the right model of
funding the <span
id="misspell-27" class="mark">IGF</span>
, keeping if safe from <span
id="misspell-28" class="mark">staist</span>
as<br>
>> well corporate
controls....<br>
><br>
> I am not sure that <span
id="misspell-29" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
collection of domain name taxes is
the right<br>
> funding model for anything
(it presupposes that domain names
are sold<br>
> for a price which makes them
quite unaffordable to a very
significant<br>
> number of poor people) but as
long as <span id="misspell-30"
class="mark">ICANN's</span>
funding model remains as<br>
> it currently is, in view of <span
id="misspell-31" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
<span id="misspell-32"
class="mark">financials</span>
[1], funding at least a<br>
> significant part of the cost
of <span id="misspell-33"
class="mark">IGF</span> meetings
from <span id="misspell-34"
class="mark">ICANN's</span>
budget<br>
> indeed makes a lot of sense.<br>
> [1] <a
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href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/financials">http://www.icann.org/en/about/financials</a><br>
><br>
> Greetings,<br>
> Norbert<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Recommendations for effective
and constructive participation in
<span id="misspell-35"
class="mark">IGC</span>:<br>
> 1. Respond to the content of
assertions and arguments, not to
the person<br>
> 2. Be conservative in what
you send, be liberal in what you
accept<br>
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<span id="misspell-39" class="mark">Aizu</span>
<<<br>
Institute for <span id="misspell-40"
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University, Tokyo<br>
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