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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 30 July 2013 11:10 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 30 July 2013 10:59 PM,
shaila mistry wrote:<br>
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<div>It is also possible that everything was planned for and
put in place, and at the eleventh hour they received
additional costs from the UN.</div>
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BTW, what is the source of the information that there was indeed a
sudden additional costs been communicated from the UN, about the
cost shown in the Indonesian funding strategy document....
parminder <br>
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sorry, meant 'above the cost shown in the Indonesian funding
strategy document;,,,,
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<div>I also wonder if there was a political change of heart
once the full impact of thee cost and principle of <span
id="misspell-0" class=""><span>Internet</span></span>
governance and the proposed debates.<br>
<br>
The net publicity generated by this "rumor could be
catalytic in capturing the attention of key players which
also could result in change of policy at UN level regarding
funding or offers of funding to come through for this year
or for the next.<br>
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Shaila <br>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, July 29, 2013 5:14 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [governance] <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">IGF</span>
<span id="misspell-5" class="mark">Cancelled</span>
& thoughts about 2014<br>
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<div>Something on this scale is best prepared and
venues finalized like two years in advance. And
set <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">timelines</span>
with deadlines for specific tasks prepared as
pointers for the successful local hosts.</div>
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<div>--<span id="misspell-7" class="mark">srs</span>
(<span id="misspell-8" class="mark">iPad</span>)</div>
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On 29-Jul-2013, at 17:23, Robert Guerra <<a
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<div><span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Izumi</span>,
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<div>Let met concur that I am hearing the same
thing from contacts in the country.</div>
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<div>As has been reported by other posts,
discussions and efforts are underway to 1.
see if the event in the country can be saved,
and 2. develop possible contingency plans
should the event not be able to be hosted in
Indonesia.</div>
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<div>While other discussions have focused on
options regarding dealing with the situation,
let me advance another issue - that being the
2014 <span id="misspell-10" class="mark">IGF</span>.
To my knowledge, no country has yet publicly
stated an offer to host the event. Hopefully,
a country that is far more able to support and
bring the political support needed to host the
<span id="misspell-11" class="mark">IGF</span>
can step forward. </div>
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<div>regards</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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<div>On 2013-07-28, at 12:22 AM, <span
id="misspell-12" class="mark">Izumi</span>
<span id="misspell-13" class="mark">AIZU</span>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">Hi,</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">A friend
who is with Indonesian Civil
Society working with the</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:14px;">organizing committee sent
me the following.</span></font></div>
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It's true that <span id="misspell-14"
class="mark">IGF</span> 2013
committee is facing financial problem
and it's likely to be <span
id="misspell-15" class="mark">cancelled</span>.
But, we have not announced official
notification of the cancellation yet
since now UN is trying to help us
finding resources to cope with it. We
will update later about the result. </span>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,
sans-serif;font-size:14px;">T</span><span
style="font-family:arial,
sans-serif;font-size:14px;">hank
you.</span>
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<div class="yiv5441403981gmail_quote">2013/7/28
Suresh Ramasubramanian <span
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Given <span
id="misspell-18" class="mark">marilla's</span>
email, this appears to be a
nonstarter, and so, moot.<br>
<br>
And it sounds very strange if some
people were to continuously
disparage a community or
organization on the one hand, and
demand sponsorship money from them
on the other, on the grounds that
the amount involved is hardly a
rounding error in their revenue (or
even their <span id="misspell-19"
class="mark">ebitda</span>), just
saying.<br>
<br>
--<span id="misspell-20"
class="mark">srs</span> (<span
id="misspell-21" class="mark">iPad</span>)<br>
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On 27-Jul-2013, at 23:44,
Norbert <span id="misspell-22"
class="mark">Bollow</span>
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> <span id="misspell-23"
class="mark">Parminder</span>
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wrote:<br>
><br>
>> All of them opposed UN
funding for the <span
id="misspell-24" class="mark">IGF</span><br>
><br>
> Is there anyone who in view
of the current debacle is still
opposed to<br>
> UN funding for the <span
id="misspell-25" class="mark">IGF</span>?<br>
><br>
>> but can they explain
why they opposed 'committed'
funding from <span
id="misspell-26" class="mark">ICANN</span><br>
>> collected Internet
taxes, say of 2 million every
year... Isn't that<br>
>> the right model of
funding the <span
id="misspell-27" class="mark">IGF</span>
, keeping if safe from <span
id="misspell-28" class="mark">staist</span>
as<br>
>> well corporate
controls....<br>
><br>
> I am not sure that <span
id="misspell-29" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
collection of domain name taxes
is the right<br>
> funding model for anything
(it presupposes that domain
names are sold<br>
> for a price which makes
them quite unaffordable to a
very significant<br>
> number of poor people) but
as long as <span
id="misspell-30" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
funding model remains as<br>
> it currently is, in view of
<span id="misspell-31"
class="mark">ICANN's</span> <span
id="misspell-32" class="mark">financials</span>
[1], funding at least a<br>
> significant part of the
cost of <span id="misspell-33"
class="mark">IGF</span>
meetings from <span
id="misspell-34" class="mark">ICANN's</span>
budget<br>
> indeed makes a lot of
sense.<br>
> [1] <a
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> Greetings,<br>
> Norbert<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Recommendations for
effective and constructive
participation in <span
id="misspell-35" class="mark">IGC</span>:<br>
> 1. Respond to the content
of assertions and arguments, not
to the person<br>
> 2. Be conservative in what
you send, be liberal in what you
accept<br>
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<span id="misspell-39" class="mark">Aizu</span>
<<<br>
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