<div dir="ltr"><div>So while we work out avenues for the future, as SR suggested maybe we can have something out of the remaining 1.1 mil that is currently available. Can someone from the organizing committee address this (I'm guessing some/most of them will be on this list)?</div>
<div> </div><div>Thanks,</div><div>C</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Friday 26 July 2013 10:16 AM, Jeremy
Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<div>On 26/07/13 12:34, parminder wrote:<br>
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<div>On Friday 26 July 2013 09:16 AM,
Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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<div>On 26/07/13 11:31, Ang Peng Hwa
(Prof) wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(15,36,62);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">According
to third party sources I asked, ie not the Indonesians,
one major item that added to the cost is that the UN had
apparently asked for US$900k to fly personnel and
security equipment for the event. <u></u><u></u></span></div>
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Time to cut the UN apron strings.<br>
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Why sure, we can check with Google. They will be quite happy to
run the global internet policy dialogue.... It is most
astounding that after subverting and ditching the tradition of
strictly public funding for policy spaces and activities, and
adopting the neoliberal and anti-democratic (and fancy)
multistakeholder funding model, now that it has collapsed one is
to blame the public systems for it.... <br>
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But $900k is ridiculous,</blockquote>
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Yes, we consider looking at local security detail etc.... but we in
developing countries are quite aware of how whispers of
inefficiency, corruption etc are used deviously to discredit public
systems, which is not to say that they should not be improved, and
internal efficiencies cannot be sought... Lets get down to seeing
how this figure of $900, if it is true, - and I know the power of
rightfully placed rumours - can be brought down. That is a different
talk...<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> and
given that a lot of the obstruction of the IGF has come from UNOG
(funding constraints, censorship, Secretariat-led policy
direction), other options have to be considered. <br>
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Again, similar standard 'logics' against public system. Beyond a
point one cannot keep responding to them. BTW, it is the
'multistakeholders' that were strictly against UN based stable
funding for the IGF during the proceedings of the WG on IGF
improvements , and what censorship are you talking about..... and
dont know what you mean by secretariat -led policy, which
secretariat BTW is now led by an ISOC appointed and paid
person....... <br><div class="im">
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<blockquote type="cite">We
have WTO, ISO, etc as intergovernmental organisations that are
notionally separate from the UN, so why not the IGF as well</blockquote>
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No problem for it to be notionally separate from anywhere, till it
remains a public system and not corporate driven... (there is a
limit to which the multistakeholder front for corporate control can
be employed)<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> - a
free-standing international multi-stakeholder conference. This is
independent of the question of how it is funded</blockquote>
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Sorry to say, that it must take extreme political naivete - and I
know you arent politically naive - to say that what a policy space
is and does is "independent of the the question of how it is
funded".... There is lots of lots of literature, norms as well as
legal frameworks with regard to democratic political systems that
deal with precisely this connection.... and this connection is
universally seen as very strong and important to always be mindful
of. <br><div class="im">
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but it's clear there will be no funding flowing from the UN
anyway, </blockquote>
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give the dog a bad name and then hang it... Starve the UN of funds,
dont allow the IGF improvement working group to decide on UN funding
for the IGF and then use the argument 'there anyway isnt going to be
any flow of funding from the UN'.... Doesnt work.<div class="im"><br>
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite">so I
don't see how cutting the UN loose would make the situation worse.<br>
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If you are intent on not seeing how corporate controlled policy
spaces will be lot worse than where we are today, I really cannot do
much about it...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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parminder <br></font></span><div class="im">
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