<div dir="ltr">A quick clarification:<div><br></div><div>The principles Joly linked to are not an EFF submission to PCLOB, but have been in development for many months now by EFF, Access, Privacy International, and several other organizations. I think Katitza from EFF is on this list and can give more background. </div>
<div><br></div><div style>Best,</div><div>Deborah </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:03:59 -0400<br>
schrieb Joly MacFie <<a href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com">joly@punkcast.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> The EFF has a statement that can be signed onto<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://necessaryandproportionate.org/" target="_blank">https://necessaryandproportionate.org/</a><br>
<br>
</div>That statement however is rather weak in regard to the challenges posed<br>
by the trans-border surveillance practices of NSA and the equivalent<br>
agencies of other countries.<br>
<br>
In particular, it does not express the outrage which international civil<br>
society IMO needs to communicate to the Privacy and Civil Liberties<br>
Oversight Board of the USA in view of the current situation.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Sala <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Jul 21, 2013, at 3:40 AM, Carolina Rossini<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Btw, regarding surveillance of the non-US persons, are you guys<br>
> > > > planning to send comments under this request:<br>
> > > > <a href="http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=PCLOB-2013-0005-0001" target="_blank">http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=PCLOB-2013-0005-0001</a><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > Sala: This is a fantastic idea and we really should consider<br>
> > > sending our views.<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree.<br>
> ><br>
> > Here's a first draft for what might become an IGC statement on<br>
> > this, if we can reach consensus:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/intsurveillance" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/intsurveillance</a><br>
> ><br>
> > (If the IGC fails to reach consensus, I'll find another way to<br>
> > comment along those lines.)<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> > Norbert<br>
<br>
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