<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It depends on which carrier you use in brazil, who they have roaming agreements with and which of the carriers they have roaming agreements with has a stronger signal in the area you happen to be in. Could well be AT&T, t mobile or whatever else<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 07-Jul-2013, at 18:55, Diego Rafael Canabarro <<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>When you use a mobile line in Brazil and come to the US, your roaming displays VERIZON. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 7, 2013 8:09 AM, "parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<font face="Verdana">"As those two articles detail, all of this
bulk, indiscriminate surveillance aimed at populations of
friendly foreign nations is part of the NSA's "FAIRVIEW"
program. Under that program, the <i><b>NSA partners with a
large US telecommunications company, the identity of which
is currently unknown, and that US company then partners with
telecoms in the foreign countries (emphasis added). </b></i>Those
partnerships allow the US company access to those countries'
telecommunications systems, and that access is then exploited to
direct traffic to the NSA's repositories."</font></blockquote>
<font face="Verdana">There are basically two large US telecoms
AT&T and Verizon... Any such public private partnership for
global snooping is very worrisome.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>On Sunday 07 July 2013 10:10 AM,
michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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<h1>The NSA's mass and indiscriminate spying on Brazilians<u></u><u></u></h1>
<p>As it does in many
non-adversarial countries, the surveillance agency is bulk
collecting the communications of millions of citizens of
Brazil<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The National Security
Administration headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland.
Whistleblower Edward Snowden worked as a data miner
for the NSA in Hawaii. Photograph: Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I've written <a href="http://oglobo.globo.com/mundo/eua-espionaram-milhoes-de-mails-ligacoes-de-brasileiros-8940934" target="_blank">an
article on NSA surveillance for the front page of the
Sunday edition of O Globo</a>, the large Brazilian
newspaper based in Rio de Janeiro. The article is
headlined (translated) "US spied on millions of emails
and calls of Brazilians", and I co-wrote it with Globo
reporters Roberto Kaz and Jose Casado. The rough
translation of the article into English is <a href="http://translate.google.com.br/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Foglobo.globo.com%2Fmundo%2Feua-espionaram-milhoes-de-mails-ligacoes-de-brasileiros-8940934&act=url" target="_blank">here</a>.
The main page of Globo's website lists related <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/nsa" title="More
from guardian.co.uk on NSA" target="_blank">NSA</a> stories: <a href="http://oglobo.globo.com/" target="_blank">here</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As the headline suggests, the crux of the main article
details how the NSA has, for years, systematically
tapped into the Brazilian telecommunication network and
indiscriminately intercepted, collected and stored the
email and telephone records of millions of Brazilians.
The story follows <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/nsa-spies-on-500-million-german-data-connections-a-908648.html" target="_blank">an
article in Der Spiegel last week</a>, written by Laura
Poitras and reporters from that paper, detailing the
NSA's mass and indiscriminate collection of the
electronic communications of millions of Germans. There
are many more populations of non-adversarial countries
which have been subjected to the same type of mass
surveillance net by the NSA: indeed, the list of those
which haven't been are shorter than those which have.
The claim that any other nation is engaging in anything
remotely approaching indiscriminate worldwide
surveillance of this sort is baseless.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>As those two articles detail, all of this bulk,
indiscriminate surveillance aimed at populations of
friendly foreign nations is part of the NSA's "FAIRVIEW"
program. Under that program, the NSA partners with a
large US telecommunications company, the identity of
which is currently unknown, and that US company then
partners with telecoms in the foreign countries. Those
partnerships allow the US company access to those
countries' telecommunications systems, and that access
is then exploited to direct traffic to the NSA's
repositories. Both articles are based on top secret
documents provided by Edward Snowden; O Globo published
several of them.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>The vast majority of the GuardianUS's revelations thus
far have concerned NSA domestic spying: the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order" target="_blank">bulk
collection of telephone records</a>, the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data" target="_blank">PRISM
program</a>, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/obama-china-targets-cyber-overseas" target="_blank">Obama's
presidential directive</a> that authorizes domestic
use of cyber-operations, the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining" target="_blank">Boundless
Informant data</a> detailing billions of records
collected from US systems, the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/fisa-court-oversight-process-secrecy" target="_blank">serial
falsehoods publicly voiced</a> by top Obama officials
about the NSA's surveillance schemes, and most recently,
the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama" target="_blank">bulk
collection of email and internet metadata</a> records
for Americans. Future stories in the GuardianUS will
largely continue to focus on the NSA's domestic spying.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>But contrary to what some want to suggest, the privacy
rights of Americans aren't the only ones that matter.
That the US government - in complete secrecy - is
constructing a ubiquitous spying apparatus aimed not
only at its own citizens, but <em>all of the world's
citizens</em>, has profound consequences. It erodes,
if not eliminates, the ability to use the internet with
any remnant of privacy or personal security. It vests
the US government with boundless power over those to
whom it has no accountability. It permits allies of the
US - including aggressively oppressive ones - to benefit
from indiscriminate spying on their citizens'
communications. It radically alters the balance of power
between the US and ordinary citizens of the world. And
it sends an unmistakable signal to the world that while
the US <em>very minimally </em>values the privacy
rights of Americans, it assigns zero value to the
privacy of everyone else on the planet.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>This development - the construction of a worldwide,
ubiquitous electronic surveillance apparatus - is
self-evidently newsworthy, extreme, and dangerous. It
deserves transparency. People around the world have no
idea that all of their telephonic and internet
communications are being collected, stored and analyzed
by a distant government. But that's exactly what is
happening, in secrecy and with virtually no
accountability. And it is inexorably growing, all in the
dark. At the very least, it merits public understanding
and debate. That is now possible thanks solely to these
disclosures.<u></u><u></u></p>
<h2>The Guardian's reporting<u></u><u></u></h2>
<p>One brief note on the Guardian is merited here: I've
been continuously amazed by how intrepid, fearless and
committed the Guardian's editors have been in reporting
these NSA stories as effectively and aggressively as
possible. They have never flinched in reporting these
stories, have spared no expense in pursuing them, have
refused to allow vague and baseless government
assertions to suppress any of the newsworthy
revelations, have devoted extraordinary resources to
ensure accuracy and potency, and have generally been
animated by exactly the kind of adversarial journalistic
ethos that has been all too lacking over the last decade
or so (see <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/the-british-are-coming-and-theyve-brought-newspapers/277486/" target="_blank">this
Atlantic article</a> from yesterday highlighting the
role played by the Guardian US's editor-in-chief, Janine
Gibson).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I don't need to say any of this, but do so only because
it's so true and impressive: they deserve a lot of
credit for the impact these stories have had. To
underscore that: because we're currently working on so
many articles involving NSA domestic spying, it would
have been weeks, at least, before we would have been
able to publish this story about indiscriminate NSA
surveillance of Brazilians. Rather than sit on such a
newsworthy story - especially at a time when Latin
America, <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-plane-incident-infuriates-latin-america-211051576.html" target="_blank">for
several</a> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/06/venezuela-nicaragua-offer-asylum-edward-snowden" target="_blank">reasons</a>,
is so focused on these revelations - they were enthused
about my partnering with O Globo, where it could produce
the most impact. In other words, they sacrificed
short-term competitive advantage for the sake of the
story by encouraging me to write this story with O
Globo. I don't think many media outlets would have made
that choice, but that's the kind of journalistic virtue
that has driven the paper's editors from the start of
this story. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p>This has been a Guardian story from the start and will
continue to be. Snowden came to us before coming to any
other media outlet, and I'll continue to write virtually
all NSA stories right in this very space. But the O
Globo story will resonate greatly in Brazil and more
broadly in Latin America, where most people had no idea
that their electronic communications were being
collected in bulk by this highly secretive US agency.
For more on how the Guardian's editors have overseen the
reporting of the NSA stories, see this informative
interview on the Charlie Rose Show from last week with
Gibson and Guardian editor-in-chief Alan Rusbridger: <u></u><u></u></p>
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