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    <font face="Verdana">Yes, Michael, beyond hand wringing one must go
      - as a responsible political group....<br>
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      I have suggested that the Internet Rights and Principles (IRP) </font>Coalition
    anchors this as a civil society initiative, building it on its
    existing IRP document.... Comes up with principles that should
    govern ownership of personal data, and other legal processes around
    it.<br>
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    But, this can usefully happen only around an institutional anchor
    with possible international adoption, and thus fruitfulness.... 
    Like OECD's Internet policy committee seeking to adopt such norms
    and principles, and civil society making the initial contribution,
    and then keeping up the pressure.  Something like that at a global
    scale. <br>
    <br>
    Internet is a new shared global 'living space', like perhaps none
    before (or just a few, like macro geo-ecology) ..... We must, with
    some urgency, come to begin setting the norms and rules for our
    collective sharing and living in this new space..... There is just
    no other option, Sooner we realise this, the better. (But of course
    those who can dominate this space in absence of legitimate norms and
    rules use all kinds of devices to push back any such progressive
    move. The problem is that civil society has mostly taken the
    bait.....)<br>
    <br>
    And so we need to figure out not only the possible blueprints of
    such norms and rules (which themselves beg a platform to take them
    forward), but also the institutional systems for their fruitful
    adoption, and, to the extent needed, enforcement.... Like Dominique
    recently suggested on this list, an International court for digital
    rights.... Such kind of stuff.....<br>
    <br>
    Time we pulled our proverbial head out of the sand.....<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 02 July 2013 12:35 PM,
      michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
            this is to move beyond hand wringing into some sort of
            action then there will need to be some very concerted and
            high quality intervention from CS.  Many of those with an
            interest in these matters are quite compromised (including
            various of the larger states) and will have security
            appartuses which will be very reluctant to support
            initiatives.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many
            smaller states with an interest will not have expertise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps
            a working group of CS might be struck specifically to be
            thinking about measures that could be proposed concerning
            the control of security/privacy interventions at a global
            level. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
            would be great I think, (in fact necessary if possible) that
            this be truly multi-stakeholder with a very very signficant
            role for the Technical community, associated/sympathetic
            private sector and sympathetic governments, but I think that
            CS needs to take the lead in beginning some sort of
            formulation and the creation of the framework to undertake
            this work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 02, 2013 10:34 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
                &lt,<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt</a>,<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] "UN must step in to stop
                cyber threats"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          Below from an Indian newspaper.... <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130702/commentary-dc-comment/commentary/un%E2%80%88must-step-stop-cyber-threats">http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130702/commentary-dc-comment/commentary/un%E2%80%88must-step-stop-cyber-threats</a>
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          Now that the chimera of the US as the unique upholder of
          Internet's values and people's rights on the Internet is so
          obviously exposed....... and we know that when US calls for a
          single unified global Internet, and its unique historic role
          in its governance (read, control), what really does it
          mean....<br>
          <br>
          parminder <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">from the Deccan Chronicle<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <h1>UN must step in to stop cyber threats<o:p></o:p></h1>
          <p class="MsoNormal">DC | 2 hours 7 min ago <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">"This is not the Cold War
                      anymore,” says an upset Germany. This was the
                      mildest of rebukes thus far in the wake of the
                      revelations about the American NSA courtesy Edward
                      Snowden.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Spying has been taken into
                      another dimension altogether and the present
                      battle could well be called the “Great Cyber War”.
                      The United States, caught spying, does not have a
                      fig leaf of deniability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">This is not just Big Brother
                      watching over its citizens, as portrayed in the
                      landmark novel 1984. The US has crossed all limits
                      and is now spying on its closest friends and
                      thickest allies as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">European Union nations have
                      been forced to undertake security sweeps to ensure
                      their computer systems are not being hacked into
                      and their telephone conversations eavesdropped
                      upon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">China, first typecast as the
                      world’s original cyber bad boy, is mockingly
                      pointing to its great rival across the seas to
                      show the world there isn’t just one culprit in
                      modern espionage. If all nations do not get
                      together and sign a treaty to stop cyber
                      espionage, things are only going to get worse for
                      those who love privacy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">The United States’ spying on
                      its allies takes the issue beyond the fundamental
                      argument that the threat of terrorism overrides
                      the tenets of privacy and justifies invasion of
                      individual liberties. What the great National
                      Security Agency spy programs of Maryland and Utah
                      have been doing is to spy on governments, their
                      trade, science, military and political secrets. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">All explanations regarding
                      PRISM and other programs studying only metadata,
                      and not prying into individual interactions over
                      the Internet and telephone, cut no ice with a
                      world that is aghast at the temerity of the most
                      powerful nation in a virtually unipolar world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Much like Germany, India, too,
                      protested so mildly that its voice was hardly
                      heard when US secretary of state John Kerry came
                      calling last week. So protective of his guest was
                      our foreign minister, Salman Khurshid, that the
                      media could not question the visiting dignitary on
                      what his country’s real intentions are in setting
                      up this elaborate $40-billion-plus spying
                      apparatus that snoops on the world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">China came through far more
                      aggressively in questioning the United States on
                      all that the world has heard ever since a
                      sub-contractor went on the lam and spilled the
                      beans from Hong Kong with the help of WikiLeaks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">If clarity and transparency are
                      the qualities most needed to cool tensions among
                      nations and passions among privacy-seekers, what
                      will really serve society is for the United
                      Nations to pay serious attention to this crisis of
                      confidence and come up with an action plan to mark
                      cyber boundaries and make them as inviolable as
                      possible by common consent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">***<o:p></o:p></p>
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