<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Given the right wording and an avoidance of inflammatory language, and specific goals, you will definitely find consensus on this, and a willingness to contribute open source code too.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 02-Jul-2013, at 12:35, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If this is to move beyond hand wringing into some sort of action then there will need to be some very concerted and high quality intervention from CS. Many of those with an interest in these matters are quite compromised (including various of the larger states) and will have security appartuses which will be very reluctant to support initiatives. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many smaller states with an interest will not have expertise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps a working group of CS might be struck specifically to be thinking about measures that could be proposed concerning the control of security/privacy interventions at a global level. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It would be great I think, (in fact necessary if possible) that this be truly multi-stakeholder with a very very signficant role for the Technical community, associated/sympathetic private sector and sympathetic governments, but I think that CS needs to take the lead in beginning some sort of formulation and the creation of the framework to undertake this work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 02, 2013 10:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; <,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<br><b>Subject:</b> [bestbits] "UN must step in to stop cyber threats"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Below from an Indian newspaper.... <a href="http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130702/commentary-dc-comment/commentary/un%E2%80%88must-step-stop-cyber-threats">http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130702/commentary-dc-comment/commentary/un%E2%80%88must-step-stop-cyber-threats</a> <br><br>Now that the chimera of the US as the unique upholder of Internet's values and people's rights on the Internet is so obviously exposed....... and we know that when US calls for a single unified global Internet, and its unique historic role in its governance (read, control), what really does it mean....<br><br>parminder <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">from the Deccan Chronicle<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><h1>UN must step in to stop cyber threats<o:p></o:p></h1><p class="MsoNormal">DC | 2 hours 7 min ago <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"This is not the Cold War anymore,” says an upset Germany. This was the mildest of rebukes thus far in the wake of the revelations about the American NSA courtesy Edward Snowden.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Spying has been taken into another dimension altogether and the present battle could well be called the “Great Cyber War”. The United States, caught spying, does not have a fig leaf of deniability.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This is not just Big Brother watching over its citizens, as portrayed in the landmark novel 1984. The US has crossed all limits and is now spying on its closest friends and thickest allies as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">European Union nations have been forced to undertake security sweeps to ensure their computer systems are not being hacked into and their telephone conversations eavesdropped upon.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">China, first typecast as the world’s original cyber bad boy, is mockingly pointing to its great rival across the seas to show the world there isn’t just one culprit in modern espionage. If all nations do not get together and sign a treaty to stop cyber espionage, things are only going to get worse for those who love privacy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The United States’ spying on its allies takes the issue beyond the fundamental argument that the threat of terrorism overrides the tenets of privacy and justifies invasion of individual liberties. What the great National Security Agency spy programs of Maryland and Utah have been doing is to spy on governments, their trade, science, military and political secrets. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">All explanations regarding PRISM and other programs studying only metadata, and not prying into individual interactions over the Internet and telephone, cut no ice with a world that is aghast at the temerity of the most powerful nation in a virtually unipolar world.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Much like Germany, India, too, protested so mildly that its voice was hardly heard when US secretary of state John Kerry came calling last week. So protective of his guest was our foreign minister, Salman Khurshid, that the media could not question the visiting dignitary on what his country’s real intentions are in setting up this elaborate $40-billion-plus spying apparatus that snoops on the world.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">China came through far more aggressively in questioning the United States on all that the world has heard ever since a sub-contractor went on the lam and spilled the beans from Hong Kong with the help of WikiLeaks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If clarity and transparency are the qualities most needed to cool tensions among nations and passions among privacy-seekers, what will really serve society is for the United Nations to pay serious attention to this crisis of confidence and come up with an action plan to mark cyber boundaries and make them as inviolable as possible by common consent.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">***<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>____________________________________________________________</span><br><span>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a></span><br><span>To be removed from the list, visit:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>For all other list information and functions, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a></span><br><span>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>