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<DIV>I think one point here is whether any of the companies actually challenged
in court any of the rulings or requests for data, and to my knowledge they did
not. This suggests that either they were too scared of the government to
challenge the rulings, or they were in political agreement with them.</DIV>
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<DIV>In either case, their standing as responsible global corporations has
suffered significantly and justifiably.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parminder@itforchange.net
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 24, 2013 10:29 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [governance] Fwd: PRISM - is it about the territorial
location of data or its legal ownership</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-forward-container><BR>Hi All<BR><BR>There was some demand on the
bestbits list that we still need to ask a lot of questions from the involved
companies in terms of the recent PRISM plus disclosures. We are being too soft
on them. I refuse to believe that everything they did was forced upon on them.
Apart from the fact that there are <A
href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">news reports</A> that US based tech companies regularly
share data with US gov for different kinds of favours in return, or even simply
motivated by nationalistic feeling, we should not forget that many of these
companies have strong political agenda which are closely associated with that of
the US gov. You must all know about '<A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Ideas" moz-do-not-send="true">Google
Ideas</A>', its revolving doors with US gov's security apparatus, and its own
aggressive <A href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34535.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">regime change ideas</A>. Facebook also is known to 'like'
some things, say in MENA region, and not other things in the same
region.....<BR><BR><FONT face=Verdana>Firstly, one would want to know
</FONT>whether the obligations to share data with US government extended only to
such data that is actually located in, or flows, through, the US. Or, does it
extend to all data within the legal control/ ownership of these companies
wherever it may reside. (I think, certainly hope, it must be the former,
but still I want to be absolutely sure, and hear directly from these
companies.)<BR><BR>Now, if the obligation was to share only such data that
actually resided in servers inside the US, why did these companies, in face of
what was obviously very broad and intrusive demands for sharing data about non
US citizens, not simply locate much of such data outside the US. For instance,
it could pick up the top 10 countries, the data of whose citizens was repeatedly
sought by US authorities, and shift all their data to servers in other countries
that made no such demand? Now, we know that many of the involved companies have
set up near fictitious companies headquartered in strange places for the purpose
of tax avoidance/ evasion. Why could they not do for the sake of protecting
human rights, well, lets only say, the trust, of non US citizens/ consumers,
what they so very efficiently did for enhancing their bottom-lines? <BR><BR>Are
there any such plan even now? While I can understand that there can be some laws
to force a company to hold the data of citizens of a country within its border,
there isnt any law which can force these companies to hold foreign data within a
country's borders... Or would any such act perceived to be too unfriendly an act
by the US gov?<BR><BR><BR>I am sure others may have other questions to ask these
companies.....<BR><BR>parminder <BR><BR></DIV><BR>
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