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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 15 June 2013 11:27 AM,
      Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:<br>
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        <div><span>Dear Norbert, </span></div>
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            the same concern with </span><span style="color: rgb(69, 69,
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    Interesting question.... That was my initial feeling about writing
    to US Congress.... I dont feel that it feels accountable to non US
    citizens, and all the pronoucements from the US post PRISM
    disclosures confirm that.... We should appeal to those who are show
    some feeling of accountability to us... At the global stage, that is
    the UN, and UN GA.... I think we must write to them.<br>
    <br>
    That is also my problem with the ISOC statement in the issue, they
    speak about global principles on privacy etc developed at
    plurilateral forums - most of the rich nations - which exclude most
    of us... They speak of the need of a global dialogue that should
    take place on he issue (and I agree) but dont say where it should
    take place. I reckon, if I direct this question to them they'd say,
    the IGF. Which is very well. But the next question is, subsequent to
    such a dialogue, and as an outcome of it, where should development
    of global principles for privacy etc should take place - to which I
    would almost certainly not obtain any reply... Although I am willing
    to be proved wrong - by ISOC or any of its sympathisers here. <br>
    <br>
    I dont agree with statements that may merely do what seem to have
    become difficult to ignore, without clear political direct for the
    corresponding required political actions... This is the doctrine of
    political responsibility that we, at my organisation, take really
    seriously, and we think all civil society should. We have here not
    to make just statements, we are here to change the world in a manner
    that it becomes more fair to those who are marginalised at present. 
    <br>
    <br>
    I think we should all begin to act less like second class US
    citizens, begging for at least some recognition, and behave like
    global citizens of a globally democratic polity. The biggest lession
    from the recent NSA disclosures is this: unaccountable power will
    also certianly go corrupt..... Make sure anyone who exercises global
    power - as the US does to a extremely momentous extent - must be
    made 'globally' accountable. And any such accountability can only be
    exercised through a mechanism where everyone from across the globe
    is equally represented...<br>
    <br>
    Lets write to the UN assembly too...<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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                  <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
                        style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                    Norbert Bollow <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"><nb@bollow.ch></a><br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                    Saturday, 15 June 2013, 5:09<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                    [governance] FORMAL CONSENSUS CALL - IGC
                    endorsement: International civil society letter to
                    Congress<br>
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                  [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
                  <br>
                  FORMAL CONSENSUS CALL<br>
                  <br>
                  We have had quite a few expressions of support for the
                  “International<br>
                  civil society letter to Congress” already, and no
                  objections so far.<br>
                  <br>
                  Please review the proposed statement text as included
                  for reference<br>
                  below.<br>
                  <br>
                  If you agree with the proposed statement or are
                  indifferent about it,<br>
                  there is no need to take action about it at the
                  current stage.<br>
                  <br>
                  If however you disagree with IGC expressing support
                  for this letter, it<br>
                  is now the final opportunity to object if you wish to
                  do so.<br>
                  <br>
                  ** Any objections should be posted by Monday June 17,
                  9am UTC. **<br>
                  <br>
                  If no objections are received by that time, IGC
                  endorsement of the<br>
                  proposed letter will be deemed to have been decided by
                  consensus.<br>
                  <br>
                  NOTE on potential further steps in the decision-making
                  process: If there<br>
                  are any objections, we will then discuss how to
                  proceed.<br>
                  <br>
                  Greetings,<br>
                  Norbert<br>
                  <br>
                  -- text proposed for endorsement
                  follows--------------------------------<br>
                  <br>
                  Civil society letter to United States Congress on
                  Internet and<br>
                  telecommunications surveillance<br>
                  <br>
                  Members of US Congress:<br>
                  <br>
                  We write as a coalition of civil society organizations
                  from around the<br>
                  world to express our serious alarm regarding
                  revelations of Internet<br>
                  and telephone communications surveillance of US and
                  non-US citizens by<br>
                  the US government. We also wish to express our grave
                  concern that US<br>
                  authorities may have made the data resulting from
                  those surveillance<br>
                  activities available to other States, including the
                  United Kingdom, the<br>
                  Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Australia and New
                  Zealand.[1] Many<br>
                  US-based Internet companies with global reach also
                  seem to be<br>
                  participating in these practices.[2]<br>
                  <br>
                  The introduction of surveillance mechanisms at the
                  heart of global<br>
                  digital communications severely threatens human rights
                  in the digital<br>
                  age. These new forms of decentralized power reflect
                  fundamental shifts<br>
                  in the structure of information systems in modern
                  societies.[3] Any step<br>
                  in this direction needs to be scrutinized through
                  ample, deep and<br>
                  transparent debate. Interference with the human rights
                  of citizens by<br>
                  any government, their own or foreign, is unacceptable.
                  The situation of<br>
                  a citizen unable to communicate private thoughts
                  without surveillance<br>
                  by a foreign state not only violates the rights to
                  privacy and human<br>
                  dignity, but also threatens the fundamental rights to
                  freedom of<br>
                  thought, opinion and expression, and association that
                  are at the center<br>
                  of any democratic practice. Such actions are
                  unacceptable and raise<br>
                  serious concerns about extra-territorial breaches of
                  human rights. The<br>
                  inability of citizens to know if they are subject to
                  foreign<br>
                  surveillance, to challenge such surveillance, or to
                  seek remedies is<br>
                  even more alarming.[4]<br>
                  <br>
                  The contradiction between the persistent affirmation
                  of human rights<br>
                  online by the US government and the recent allegations
                  of what appears<br>
                  to be mass surveillance of US and non-US citizens by
                  that same<br>
                  government is very disturbing and carries negative
                  repercussions on the<br>
                  global stage. A blatant and systematic disregard for
                  the human rights<br>
                  articulated in Articles 17 and 19 of the International
                  Covenant on<br>
                  Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which the
                  United States is<br>
                  signatory, as well as Articles 12 and 19 of the
                  Universal Declaration<br>
                  of Human Rights is suggested. Bearing in mind that the
                  US must engage<br>
                  in a long overdue discussion about how to update and
                  modernize its<br>
                  policy to align with its own founding documents and
                  principles, what<br>
                  happens next in legislative and Executive Branch
                  oversight in the US<br>
                  will have huge and irreversible consequences for the
                  promotion and<br>
                  protection of the human rights of people around the
                  world.<br>
                  <br>
                  It is also notable that the United States government
                  supported the<br>
                  United Nations Human Rights Council Resolution 20/8,
                  which “[a]ffirms<br>
                  that the same rights that people have offline must
                  also be protected<br>
                  online, in particular freedom of expression …”[5] and,
                  just a few days<br>
                  ago, on June 10, the US was part of a core group of
                  countries that<br>
                  drafted a cross regional statement, which correctly
                  emphasized “that<br>
                  when addressing any security concerns on the Internet,
                  this must be<br>
                  done in a manner consistent with states’ obligations
                  under<br>
                  international human rights law and full respect for
                  human rights must<br>
                  be maintained.”[6] That was apparently not the case
                  with the latest<br>
                  practices of the US Government. Besides representing a
                  major violation<br>
                  of fundamental human rights of people worldwide, the
                  incoherence<br>
                  between practices and public statements by the US also
                  undermines the<br>
                  moral credibility of the country within the global
                  community that<br>
                  fights for human rights, as they apply to the Internet
                  and fatally<br>
                  impacts consumers’ trust in all American companies
                  that provide<br>
                  worldwide services.<br>
                  <br>
                  On 10 June, 2013 many signatories to this letter
                  joined together to<br>
                  raise our concerns to the United Nations Human Rights
                  Council.[7] We did<br>
                  so against the background of the recent report of the
                  UN Special<br>
                  Rapporteur on the right to Freedom of Opinion and
                  Expression, Mr. Frank<br>
                  La Rue.[8] This report detailed worrying trends in
                  state surveillance of<br>
                  communications with serious implications for the
                  exercise of the human<br>
                  rights to privacy and to freedom of opinion and
                  expression. We note<br>
                  that US-based stakeholders have also written a letter
                  to Congress to<br>
                  express their concerns about the compliance of the
                  current national<br>
                  surveillance program with domestic law.[9]<br>
                  <br>
                  We are also extremely disappointed that, in all the
                  post ‘disclosures’<br>
                  statements, US authorities have only insisted that
                  there was no access<br>
                  obtained to content related to US citizens, and just
                  their<br>
                  communication meta-data was collected. There has not
                  been a word on the<br>
                  issue of large-scale access to content related to non
                  US citizens,<br>
                  which constitute an almost certain human rights
                  violation. The focusing<br>
                  of the US authorities on the difference between
                  treatment of US<br>
                  citizens and non-citizens on an issue which
                  essentially relates to<br>
                  violation of human rights is very problematic. Human
                  rights are<br>
                  universal, and every government must refrain from
                  violating them for<br>
                  all people, and not merely for its citizens. We
                  strongly advocate that<br>
                  current and future legal provisions and practices take
                  this fact into<br>
                  due consideration.<br>
                  <br>
                  We therefore urge the Obama administration and the
                  United States<br>
                  Congress to take immediate action to dismantle
                  existing, and prevent<br>
                  the creation of future, global Internet and
                  telecommunications based<br>
                  surveillance systems. We additionally urge the US
                  Administration, the<br>
                  FBI and the Attorney General to allow involved or
                  affected companies to<br>
                  publish statistics of past and future Foreign
                  Intelligence Surveillance<br>
                  Act (FISA) requests they have received or may
                  receive.[10] We further<br>
                  call on the US Congress to establish protections for
                  government<br>
                  whistleblowers in order to better ensure that the
                  public is adequately<br>
                  informed about abuses of power that violate the
                  fundamental human<br>
                  rights of the citizens of all countries, US and
                  other.[11] We also join<br>
                  Humans Rights Watch in urging the creation of an
                  independent panel with<br>
                  subpoena power and all necessary security clearances
                  to examine current<br>
                  practices and to make recommendations to ensure
                  appropriate protections<br>
                  for the rights to privacy, free expression, and
                  association. The<br>
                  results of this panel should be broadly published.<br>
                  <br>
                  [1]
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0873f38-d1c5-11e2-9336-00144feab7de.html">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0873f38-d1c5-11e2-9336-00144feab7de.html</a>,<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.bof.nl/2013/06/11/bits-of-freedom-dutch-spooks-must-stop-use-of-prism/"
                    target="_blank">https://www.bof.nl/2013/06/11/bits-of-freedom-dutch-spooks-must-stop-use-of-prism/</a><br>
                  and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.standaard.be/cnt/DMF20130610_063">http://www.standaard.be/cnt/DMF20130610_063</a>.<br>
                  <br>
                  [2] Including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook,
                  PalTalk, AOL, Skype,<br>
                  YouTube, and Apple:<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html"
                    target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.state.gov/statecraft/overview/"
                    target="_blank">http://www.state.gov/statecraft/overview/</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [4] (A/HRC/23/40)<br>
                  <br>
                  [5] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/RES/20/8"
                    target="_blank">http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/RES/20/8</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [6] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://geneva.usmission.gov/2013/06/10/internet-freedom-5/"
                    target="_blank">http://geneva.usmission.gov/2013/06/10/internet-freedom-5/</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [7] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://bestbits.net/prism-nsa" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/prism-nsa</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [8] (A/HRC/23/40)<br>
                  <br>
                  [9] Asking the U.S. government to allow Google to
                  publish more national<br>
                  security request data<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/asking-us-government-to-allow-google-to.html"
                    target="_blank">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/asking-us-government-to-allow-google-to.html</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [10] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://www.stopwatching.us/" target="_blank">https://www.stopwatching.us/</a><br>
                  <br>
                  [11] The just-released Global Principles on National
                  Security and<br>
                  Freedom of Information (the Tshwane Principles) which
                  address the topic<br>
                  of Whistleblowing and National Security provide
                  relevant guidance in<br>
                  this regard:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/sites/default/files/Global%20Principles%20on%20National%20Security%20and%20the%20Right%20to%20Information%20%28Tshwane%20Principles%29%20-%20June%202013.pdf">http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/sites/default/files/Global%20Principles%20on%20National%20Security%20and%20the%20Right%20to%20Information%20%28Tshwane%20Principles%29%20-%20June%202013.pdf</a>.<br>
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