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      Even ask ONU to create a special court for digital crimes.<br>
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      Le 15/06/13 08:58, parminder a écrit :<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 15 June 2013 11:27 AM,
        Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:<br>
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          <div><span>Dear Norbert, </span></div>
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              address the same concern with </span><span style="color:
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      Interesting question.... That was my initial feeling about writing
      to US Congress.... I dont feel that it feels accountable to non US
      citizens, and all the pronoucements from the US post PRISM
      disclosures confirm that.... We should appeal to those who are
      show some feeling of accountability to us... At the global stage,
      that is the UN, and UN GA.... I think we must write to them.<br>
      <br>
      That is also my problem with the ISOC statement in the issue, they
      speak about global principles on privacy etc developed at
      plurilateral forums - most of the rich nations - which exclude
      most of us... They speak of the need of a global dialogue that
      should take place on he issue (and I agree) but dont say where it
      should take place. I reckon, if I direct this question to them
      they'd say, the IGF. Which is very well. But the next question is,
      subsequent to such a dialogue, and as an outcome of it, where
      should development of global principles for privacy etc should
      take place - to which I would almost certainly not obtain any
      reply... Although I am willing to be proved wrong - by ISOC or any
      of its sympathisers here. <br>
      <br>
      I dont agree with statements that may merely do what seem to have
      become difficult to ignore, without clear political direct for the
      corresponding required political actions... This is the doctrine
      of political responsibility that we, at my organisation, take
      really seriously, and we think all civil society should. We have
      here not to make just statements, we are here to change the world
      in a manner that it becomes more fair to those who are
      marginalised at present.  <br>
      <br>
      I think we should all begin to act less like second class US
      citizens, begging for at least some recognition, and behave like
      global citizens of a globally democratic polity. The biggest
      lession from the recent NSA disclosures is this: unaccountable
      power will also certianly go corrupt..... Make sure anyone who
      exercises global power - as the US does to a extremely momentous
      extent - must be made 'globally' accountable. And any such
      accountability can only be exercised through a mechanism where
      everyone from across the globe is equally represented...<br>
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      Lets write to the UN assembly too...<br>
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      parminder <br>
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                    <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
                          style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                      Norbert Bollow <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                      Saturday, 15 June 2013, 5:09<br>
                      <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                      [governance] FORMAL CONSENSUS CALL - IGC
                      endorsement: International civil society letter to
                      Congress<br>
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                    [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
                    <br>
                    FORMAL CONSENSUS CALL<br>
                    <br>
                    We have had quite a few expressions of support for
                    the “International<br>
                    civil society letter to Congress” already, and no
                    objections so far.<br>
                    <br>
                    Please review the proposed statement text as
                    included for reference<br>
                    below.<br>
                    <br>
                    If you agree with the proposed statement or are
                    indifferent about it,<br>
                    there is no need to take action about it at the
                    current stage.<br>
                    <br>
                    If however you disagree with IGC expressing support
                    for this letter, it<br>
                    is now the final opportunity to object if you wish
                    to do so.<br>
                    <br>
                    ** Any objections should be posted by Monday June
                    17, 9am UTC. **<br>
                    <br>
                    If no objections are received by that time, IGC
                    endorsement of the<br>
                    proposed letter will be deemed to have been decided
                    by consensus.<br>
                    <br>
                    NOTE on potential further steps in the
                    decision-making process: If there<br>
                    are any objections, we will then discuss how to
                    proceed.<br>
                    <br>
                    Greetings,<br>
                    Norbert<br>
                    <br>
                    -- text proposed for endorsement
                    follows--------------------------------<br>
                    <br>
                    Civil society letter to United States Congress on
                    Internet and<br>
                    telecommunications surveillance<br>
                    <br>
                    Members of US Congress:<br>
                    <br>
                    We write as a coalition of civil society
                    organizations from around the<br>
                    world to express our serious alarm regarding
                    revelations of Internet<br>
                    and telephone communications surveillance of US and
                    non-US citizens by<br>
                    the US government. We also wish to express our grave
                    concern that US<br>
                    authorities may have made the data resulting from
                    those surveillance<br>
                    activities available to other States, including the
                    United Kingdom, the<br>
                    Netherlands, Canada, Belgium, Australia and New
                    Zealand.[1] Many<br>
                    US-based Internet companies with global reach also
                    seem to be<br>
                    participating in these practices.[2]<br>
                    <br>
                    The introduction of surveillance mechanisms at the
                    heart of global<br>
                    digital communications severely threatens human
                    rights in the digital<br>
                    age. These new forms of decentralized power reflect
                    fundamental shifts<br>
                    in the structure of information systems in modern
                    societies.[3] Any step<br>
                    in this direction needs to be scrutinized through
                    ample, deep and<br>
                    transparent debate. Interference with the human
                    rights of citizens by<br>
                    any government, their own or foreign, is
                    unacceptable. The situation of<br>
                    a citizen unable to communicate private thoughts
                    without surveillance<br>
                    by a foreign state not only violates the rights to
                    privacy and human<br>
                    dignity, but also threatens the fundamental rights
                    to freedom of<br>
                    thought, opinion and expression, and association
                    that are at the center<br>
                    of any democratic practice. Such actions are
                    unacceptable and raise<br>
                    serious concerns about extra-territorial breaches of
                    human rights. The<br>
                    inability of citizens to know if they are subject to
                    foreign<br>
                    surveillance, to challenge such surveillance, or to
                    seek remedies is<br>
                    even more alarming.[4]<br>
                    <br>
                    The contradiction between the persistent affirmation
                    of human rights<br>
                    online by the US government and the recent
                    allegations of what appears<br>
                    to be mass surveillance of US and non-US citizens by
                    that same<br>
                    government is very disturbing and carries negative
                    repercussions on the<br>
                    global stage. A blatant and systematic disregard for
                    the human rights<br>
                    articulated in Articles 17 and 19 of the
                    International Covenant on<br>
                    Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which the
                    United States is<br>
                    signatory, as well as Articles 12 and 19 of the
                    Universal Declaration<br>
                    of Human Rights is suggested. Bearing in mind that
                    the US must engage<br>
                    in a long overdue discussion about how to update and
                    modernize its<br>
                    policy to align with its own founding documents and
                    principles, what<br>
                    happens next in legislative and Executive Branch
                    oversight in the US<br>
                    will have huge and irreversible consequences for the
                    promotion and<br>
                    protection of the human rights of people around the
                    world.<br>
                    <br>
                    It is also notable that the United States government
                    supported the<br>
                    United Nations Human Rights Council Resolution 20/8,
                    which “[a]ffirms<br>
                    that the same rights that people have offline must
                    also be protected<br>
                    online, in particular freedom of expression …”[5]
                    and, just a few days<br>
                    ago, on June 10, the US was part of a core group of
                    countries that<br>
                    drafted a cross regional statement, which correctly
                    emphasized “that<br>
                    when addressing any security concerns on the
                    Internet, this must be<br>
                    done in a manner consistent with states’ obligations
                    under<br>
                    international human rights law and full respect for
                    human rights must<br>
                    be maintained.”[6] That was apparently not the case
                    with the latest<br>
                    practices of the US Government. Besides representing
                    a major violation<br>
                    of fundamental human rights of people worldwide, the
                    incoherence<br>
                    between practices and public statements by the US
                    also undermines the<br>
                    moral credibility of the country within the global
                    community that<br>
                    fights for human rights, as they apply to the
                    Internet and fatally<br>
                    impacts consumers’ trust in all American companies
                    that provide<br>
                    worldwide services.<br>
                    <br>
                    On 10 June, 2013 many signatories to this letter
                    joined together to<br>
                    raise our concerns to the United Nations Human
                    Rights Council.[7] We did<br>
                    so against the background of the recent report of
                    the UN Special<br>
                    Rapporteur on the right to Freedom of Opinion and
                    Expression, Mr. Frank<br>
                    La Rue.[8] This report detailed worrying trends in
                    state surveillance of<br>
                    communications with serious implications for the
                    exercise of the human<br>
                    rights to privacy and to freedom of opinion and
                    expression. We note<br>
                    that US-based stakeholders have also written a
                    letter to Congress to<br>
                    express their concerns about the compliance of the
                    current national<br>
                    surveillance program with domestic law.[9]<br>
                    <br>
                    We are also extremely disappointed that, in all the
                    post ‘disclosures’<br>
                    statements, US authorities have only insisted that
                    there was no access<br>
                    obtained to content related to US citizens, and just
                    their<br>
                    communication meta-data was collected. There has not
                    been a word on the<br>
                    issue of large-scale access to content related to
                    non US citizens,<br>
                    which constitute an almost certain human rights
                    violation. The focusing<br>
                    of the US authorities on the difference between
                    treatment of US<br>
                    citizens and non-citizens on an issue which
                    essentially relates to<br>
                    violation of human rights is very problematic. Human
                    rights are<br>
                    universal, and every government must refrain from
                    violating them for<br>
                    all people, and not merely for its citizens. We
                    strongly advocate that<br>
                    current and future legal provisions and practices
                    take this fact into<br>
                    due consideration.<br>
                    <br>
                    We therefore urge the Obama administration and the
                    United States<br>
                    Congress to take immediate action to dismantle
                    existing, and prevent<br>
                    the creation of future, global Internet and
                    telecommunications based<br>
                    surveillance systems. We additionally urge the US
                    Administration, the<br>
                    FBI and the Attorney General to allow involved or
                    affected companies to<br>
                    publish statistics of past and future Foreign
                    Intelligence Surveillance<br>
                    Act (FISA) requests they have received or may
                    receive.[10] We further<br>
                    call on the US Congress to establish protections for
                    government<br>
                    whistleblowers in order to better ensure that the
                    public is adequately<br>
                    informed about abuses of power that violate the
                    fundamental human<br>
                    rights of the citizens of all countries, US and
                    other.[11] We also join<br>
                    Humans Rights Watch in urging the creation of an
                    independent panel with<br>
                    subpoena power and all necessary security clearances
                    to examine current<br>
                    practices and to make recommendations to ensure
                    appropriate protections<br>
                    for the rights to privacy, free expression, and
                    association. The<br>
                    results of this panel should be broadly published.<br>
                    <br>
                    [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0873f38-d1c5-11e2-9336-00144feab7de.html">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0873f38-d1c5-11e2-9336-00144feab7de.html</a>,<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.bof.nl/2013/06/11/bits-of-freedom-dutch-spooks-must-stop-use-of-prism/"
                      target="_blank">https://www.bof.nl/2013/06/11/bits-of-freedom-dutch-spooks-must-stop-use-of-prism/</a><br>
                    and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                      href="http://www.standaard.be/cnt/DMF20130610_063">http://www.standaard.be/cnt/DMF20130610_063</a>.<br>
                    <br>
                    [2] Including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook,
                    PalTalk, AOL, Skype,<br>
                    YouTube, and Apple:<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html"
                      target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html</a><br>
                    <br>
                    [3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.state.gov/statecraft/overview/"
                      target="_blank">http://www.state.gov/statecraft/overview/</a><br>
                    <br>
                    [4] (A/HRC/23/40)<br>
                    <br>
                    [5] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/RES/20/8"
                      target="_blank">http://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/RES/20/8</a><br>
                    <br>
                    [6] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://geneva.usmission.gov/2013/06/10/internet-freedom-5/"
                      target="_blank">http://geneva.usmission.gov/2013/06/10/internet-freedom-5/</a><br>
                    <br>
                    [7] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://bestbits.net/prism-nsa"
                      target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/prism-nsa</a><br>
                    <br>
                    [8] (A/HRC/23/40)<br>
                    <br>
                    [9] Asking the U.S. government to allow Google to
                    publish more national<br>
                    security request data<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/asking-us-government-to-allow-google-to.html"
                      target="_blank">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/asking-us-government-to-allow-google-to.html</a><br>
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                    [10] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://www.stopwatching.us/"
                      target="_blank">https://www.stopwatching.us/</a><br>
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                    [11] The just-released Global Principles on National
                    Security and<br>
                    Freedom of Information (the Tshwane Principles)
                    which address the topic<br>
                    of Whistleblowing and National Security provide
                    relevant guidance in<br>
                    this regard:<br>
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