<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all,<br><br></div><div>To help frame the discussion, here's the link to ICANN's IANA contract:<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/contract-01oct12-en.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/contract-01oct12-en.pdf</a><br>
</div><br></div><div>There's also the USDOC amendment to the renewal of the ICANN-Verisign contract:<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px"><a href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/amendment_32_11292012.pdf">http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/amendment_32_11292012.pdf</a><br>
</div></div><div><br></div><div>As has been pointed out, ICANN doesn't have anything to do with Internet content and whether or not it is monitored. However, there's no doubt that revelations about US government surveillance of Internet data harms their case in the debate on multi-stakeholder Internet governance, including of ICANN itself and matters under its purview.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Katim<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Chaitanya Dhareshwar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chaitanyabd@gmail.com" target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>That would be my understanding as well Nick. However in ICANN's case I understand there are clauses that prevent them shifting HQ to another jurisdiction/country. </div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div> </div><div>-C</div></font></span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org" target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><p dir="ltr">The law governing a contract is entirely separate from the legal jurisdiction in which the parties to it are domiciled.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 Jun 2013 23:19, "Avri Doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">avri@ella.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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On 11/06/2013 10:07, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Reading the governance list, I'm struck by how little discussion there<br>
is on how to take the things that you presumably agree on (objection to<br>
overbroad surveillance, etc.) and do something productive with it; it<br>
seems almost all effort is spent trying to score points against factions.<br>
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> Is this really the best that this list can do?<br>
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> Other lists - like Best Bits - are responding with statements and the<br>
like on topical subjects. Would you rather score points against one<br>
another, or score points for the public interest?<br>
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