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Thanks for posting this. <br>
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And here is the inimitable Karl Auerbach (of course tech has moved
on with caching etc) but the same issues apply (there is one
excellent small post by him, but I can't find it...):<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cavebear.com/archive/rw/igf-structural-principles-for-internet-governance.pdf">http://www.cavebear.com/archive/rw/igf-structural-principles-for-internet-governance.pdf</a>
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Shall we have internet governance as a Republic with democratic
control over all aspects, or should we have a little democracy with
a CIR monarchy?<br>
<br>
The USG does not follow its own constitution and so even
'reasonable' monarchic CIR arrangements.<br>
<br>
As such these arrangements are interesting, as Nassim Taleb said
about the US financial system but is common sense apt here as we get
lost in technocracy (and which is the prism from which I read 'leave
CIR out' after this):<br>
<br>
"People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it)
should never be given a new bus. The economics establishment
(universities, regulators, central bankers, government officials,
various organisations staffed with economists) lost its legitimacy
with the failure of the system. It is irresponsible and foolish to
put our trust in the ability of such experts to get us out of this
mess. Instead, find the smart people whose hands are clean. "<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/06/12 11:57 AM, Katim S. Touray
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all,<br>
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<div>To help frame the discussion, here's the link to ICANN's
IANA contract:<br>
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<div style="margin-left:40px"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/contract-01oct12-en.pdf">http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/contract-01oct12-en.pdf</a><br>
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<div>There's also the USDOC amendment to the renewal of the
ICANN-Verisign contract:<br>
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<div style="margin-left:40px"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/amendment_32_11292012.pdf">http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/amendment_32_11292012.pdf</a><br>
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<div>As has been pointed out, ICANN doesn't have anything to do
with Internet content and whether or not it is monitored.
However, there's no doubt that revelations about US government
surveillance of Internet data harms their case in the debate
on multi-stakeholder Internet governance, including of ICANN
itself and matters under its purview.<br>
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<div>Katim<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:40 AM,
Chaitanya Dhareshwar <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chaitanyabd@gmail.com"
target="_blank">chaitanyabd@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>That would be my understanding as well Nick. However
in ICANN's case I understand there are clauses that
prevent them shifting HQ to another
jurisdiction/country. </div>
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<div>-C</div>
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<div class="h5">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Nick
Ashton-Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nashton@ccianet.org"
target="_blank">nashton@ccianet.org</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">The law governing a contract is
entirely separate from the legal jurisdiction in
which the parties to it are domiciled.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 Jun 2013 23:19,
"Avri Doria" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Well said Nick.<br>
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Anriette<br>
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On 11/06/2013 10:07, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Reading the governance list, I'm struck
by how little discussion there<br>
is on how to take the things that you
presumably agree on (objection to<br>
overbroad surveillance, etc.) and do something
productive with it; it<br>
seems almost all effort is spent trying to
score points against factions.<br>
><br>
> Is this really the best that this list
can do?<br>
><br>
> Other lists - like Best Bits - are
responding with statements and the<br>
like on topical subjects. Would you rather
score points against one<br>
another, or score points for the public
interest?<br>
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