<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">+1 but with a few caveats…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However, what the statement does not do which is the rather more difficult but necessary next step is to suggest what needs to be done from a technical perspective or perhaps better how can the technical and policy infrastructure of the Internet be designed/engineered so as to ensure that the challenge to the human rights of citizens globally that PRISM and associated technical innovations and practices represent is subject to an appropriate degree of transparency and accountability to a global public to ensure that the Total Surveillance Society is not brought to pass. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Perhaps</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Perhaps is an understatement. Unrealistic would be a better word.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> it is unrealistic to expect ISOC to bring forward such recommendations with such haste. However, one could expect that ISOC should indicate how it will collaborate with others including civil society, the private sector and governments in the analysis of the limitations in the existing system which allow for what the statement terms "the unwarranted collection, storage and potential correlation of user data"; what measures can and should be taken to curb such practices; and what mechanisms technical and governance need to be put in place to ensure that such measures and related developments are not allowed to happen in the future. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The shared goal would appear to be that the Internet be allowed to grow and develop as the statement says as a "secure, reliable, private communication between entities and individuals" and that those "trusted interactions in cyberspace (which) are critical not only for the future of the Internet, but also for continued innovation, economic and political progress and a vibrant global community" are allowed to grow and flourish for the future. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The challenge facing the technical community as much or even more than others is to work out how within the limits of their knowledge and experience and the knowledge and experience of others in partnership globally, this may be realized.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I doubt the T&A will take this up, it's more for app developers and the biz community I would think. </div><div><br></div><div>The T&A are limited in what they can do, despite what some on this list think. For example, they have been pushing IPv6 and DNSSEC for a decade now with only marginal uptake of either. Asking them to re-engineer the entire Internet is a complete non-starter.</div>
<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel