<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Here is the thing. Over all there is a confusion on which aspects of "security" and surveillance for the "common over all good" is actually necessary and or effective. Secondly, are we sure that people are fully aware of the extent of the invasion into their privacy and what this means. I think not ! Over all I would say the people are not happy about the extent of invasion into privacy.<br>Over all, within the last few years we have seen in the US a gradual apathy to and also some fear to speaking out as indignant citizens. Perhaps the apathy extends participation in surveys such as this one . Hence we see the numbers that we see. The numbers are, nonetheless, quite <span id="misspell-0" class=""><span>disturbing</span></span>! Equally disturbing is the specter of travelers quietly subjecting themselves to the " body scans at
airports" I often wonder what would happen if even 20% opted for the pat down !!<br>My literal 2 cents worth.<br>Shaila <br></div><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><style><!--filtered {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}div.Section1 {}--></style><style><!--filtered {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}div.Section1 {}--></style><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0,
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!<br></span></b></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Chaitanya <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">Dhareshwar</span> <chaitanyabd@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "governance@lists.igcaucus.org" <governance@lists.igcaucus.org>; <span id="misspell-3" class="mark">Riaz</span> K <span id="misspell-4" class="mark">Tayob</span> <riaz.tayob@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:09 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Majority Of Americans Don't Mind Being Spied Upon,
Pew Study Finds<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3848965277"><div dir="ltr"><div>While there are discrete "yes", "no" and "<span id="misspell-5" class="mark">dont</span> know" options, we're likely to see a lot more support for a "don't care" option. Fair few people don't honestly care what goes on in the government. Also in the "Acceptable" and "Unacceptable", the choice of "Irrelevant" would garner a lot of attention. IMHO a lot of people just want to stay out of politics/government/conspiracy/etc - they just want to "not care" and treat it as "irrelevant". </div>
<div> </div><div>Given this choice, fair few people (at least 10-20% of those who voted under other categories, and maybe a 100% of those who abstained) would choose "don't care" or "irrelevant". </div>
<div> </div><div>Just my 2c. </div><div> </div><div>-C</div></div><div class="yiv3848965277gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv3848965277gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM, <span id="misspell-6" class="mark">Riaz</span> K <span id="misspell-7" class="mark">Tayob</span> <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<h1>Majority Of Americans Don't Mind Being Spied Upon,
Pew Study Finds</h1>
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<span>Submitted by <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden">Tyler Durden</a>
on 06/10/2013 17:48 -0400</span><br>
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<div>In what is likely the most disappointing, if not unexpected,
news of the day, we find that according to a just released <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.people-press.org/2013/06/10/majority-views-nsa-phone-tracking-as-acceptable-anti-terror-tactic/">Pew
Research study</a>, a <b>substantial majority, or 56% of
Americans</b>, "<b>say the National Security
Agency’s (<span id="misspell-10" class="mark">NSA</span>) program tracking the telephone records of
millions of Americans is an acceptable way for the government
to investigate terrorism</b>." <b>Only 41% object
to having every phone conversation intercepted, investigated,
analyzed, and recorded for posterity</b>. Sorry Edward
<span id="misspell-11" class="mark">Snowden</span><i>: <b>you just threw your life away for nothing</b></i><b>.
</b>The sheep have been properly and thoroughly conditioned
and brainwashed, which is why they continue to get precisely the
government they so rightfully deserve.</div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/6-10-13-1.png"><img src="cid:2.3685411571@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" height="368" width="188"></a></div>
<div>More from Pew:</div>
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<div>The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center and The
Washington Post, conducted June 6-9 among 1,004 adults,<b>
finds no indications that last week’s revelations of the
government’s collection of phone records and <span id="misspell-12" class="mark">internet</span> data
have altered fundamental public views about the <span id="misspell-13" class="mark">tradeoff</span>
between investigating possible terrorism and protecting
personal privacy.</b></div>
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<div>It just gets better:</div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/6-10-13-3.png"><img style="margin-right:10px;float:left;" src="cid:3.3685411571@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" height="355" width="300"></a><i>Currently
62% say it is more important for the federal government to
investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that
intrudes on personal privacy. Just 34% say it is more
important for the government not to intrude on personal
privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate
possible terrorist threats.</i></div>
<div> </div>
<div>These opinions have changed little since an ABC
News/Washington Post survey in January <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/6-10-13-2.png"><img style="margin-left:10px;float:right;" src="cid:4.3685411571@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" height="375" width="294"></a>2006.
Currently, there are only modest partisan differences in these
opinions: 69% of Democrats say it is more important for the
government to investigate terrorist threats, even at the
expense of personal privacy, as do 62% of Republicans and 59%
of independents.</div>
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<div>However, while six-in-ten or more in older age groups say it
is more important to investigate terrorism even if it intrudes
on privacy, young people are divided: 51% say investigating
terrorism is more important while 45% say it is more important
for the government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if
that limits its ability to investigate possible threats.</div>
<div>The survey finds that while there are apparent differences
between the <span id="misspell-14" class="mark">NSA</span> surveillance programs under the Bush and Obama
administrations, overall public reactions to both incidents
are similar. <b>Currently, 56% say it is acceptable that
the <span id="misspell-15" class="mark">NSA</span> “has been getting secret court orders to track
telephone calls of millions of Americans in an effort to
investigate terrorism.”</b></div>
<div>In January 2006, a few weeks after initial new reports of the
Bush administration’s surveillance program, 51% said it was
acceptable for the <span id="misspell-16" class="mark">NSA</span> to investigate “people suspected of
involvement with terrorism by secretly listening in on
telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the
United States and other countries, without first getting court
approval to do so.”</div>
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<div>Perhaps least surprising is that once the most vocal objector
to "<span id="misspell-17" class="mark">Dubya</span>" pervasive surveillance, the Democrats, are now its
most ardent defenders. And so once again, political party line
stupidity trumps common sense.</div>
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<div>Republicans and Democrats have had very different views of
the two operations. Today, only about half of Republicans
(52%) say it is acceptable for the <span id="misspell-18" class="mark">NSA</span> to obtain court orders
to track phone call records of millions of Americans to
investigate terrorism. In January 2006, fully 75% of
Republicans said it was acceptable for the <span id="misspell-19" class="mark">NSA</span> to investigate
suspected terrorists by listing in on phone calls and reading
emails without court approval.</div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/6-10-13-4.png"><img src="cid:5.3685411571@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com" height="259" width="411"></a></div>
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<div><b>Democrats now view the <span id="misspell-20" class="mark">NSA</span>’s phone surveillance as
acceptable by 64% to 34%. In January 2006, by a similar
margin (61% to 36%), Democrats said it was unacceptable for
the <span id="misspell-21" class="mark">NSA</span> to scrutinize phone calls and emails of suspected
terrorists.</b></div>
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<div>Of course, if the president was Romney, his head would already
be on a stick. Metaphorically speaking of course.</div>
<div>Finally, the biggest danger to America it appears is not a <i><b>turnkey
totalitarian tyrant</b></i>, but broad apathy as it
turns out only one in four follow <span id="misspell-22" class="mark">NSA</span> News "very closely." The
other 3 in 4 are far more concerned with who gets to fake-wed
the fake-<span id="misspell-23" class="mark">bachelorette</span> this season, or who is the victor of
Dancing with the Stars.</div>
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<div><b>Roughly a quarter (27%) of Americans say they are
following news about the government collecting Verizon phone
records very closely. This is a relatively modest level of
public interest. Only another 21% say they are following
this fairly closely, while about half say they are following
not too (17%) or not at all (35%) closely.</b></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Interest in reports about the government tracking of e-mail
and <span id="misspell-24" class="mark">online</span> activities is almost identical: 26% say they are
following this story very closely, 33% not closely at all.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Attention to these stories is higher among Republicans and
Republican-leaning independents: 32% are following reports
about the government tracking phone records very closely,
compared with 24% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning
independents. The partisan gap in interest is almost identical
when it comes to reports about government collecting email and
other <span id="misspell-25" class="mark">online</span> information: 30% of Republicans and
Republican-<span id="misspell-26" class="mark">leaners</span> are following very closely compared with
20% of Democrats and Democratic-<span id="misspell-27" class="mark">leaners</span>.</div>
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<div>Overall, those who disagree with the government’s data
monitoring are following the reports somewhat more closely
than those who support them. Among those who find the
government’s tracking of phone records to be unacceptable, 31%
are following the story very closely, compared with 21% among
those who say it is acceptable. Similarly with respect to
reports about government monitoring of email and <span id="misspell-28" class="mark">online</span>
activities, 28% of those who say this should not be done are
following the news very closely, compared with 23% of those
who approve of the practice.</div>
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<div>Those who wish to be even more depressed can <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.people-press.org/2013/06/10/majority-views-nsa-phone-tracking-as-acceptable-anti-terror-tactic/">read
on here</a>. </div>
<div>As for Edward <span id="misspell-29" class="mark">Snowden</span>, hopefully this will teach you to throw
away your life to liberate a bloated and apathetic society that
couldn't care less if the slaughter-gate was slammed shut behind
it, and just wants to have its rose-colored blinders on in
perpetuity. </div>
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<div> <label>Average: </label>
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<div><span>4.52</span></div>
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<div><span>Your rating: <span>None</span></span>
<span>Average: <span>4.5</span></span>
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