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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 11 June 2013 06:24 PM, Kerry
Brown wrote:<br>
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language is too confrontational (i.e. “notes with horror”).
It will never be taken seriously.</span></p>
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Taken seriously by whom? We are addressing it to the public in
general, and people are dead serious horrified by what they are
coming to know of.<br>
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BTW, I took that expression 'horror' from Nick's email, and if you
arent really horrified by what happened, I must say you are among
the very few....<br>
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In just one month of March 2013, 6.7 billion pieces of intelligence
were picked up by the 'system' from India's computers and networks
.... And you are saying that 'horror' is too strong a word!!<br>
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is no proof that any of the companies you mention cooperated
willingly. I think that they all have cooperated within the
boundaries of the law but that is opinion. I haven’t seen
any proof. I think a far more likely scenario is that the
NSA uses a variety of methods, some possibly illegal, to
collect data that probably includes data from the mentioned
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We are not making a judicial pronouncement here. We are making a
civil society statement based on adequate information. So do you
want to wait till after a judicial inquiry had brought out all the
facts without the least possibility of any wrong information? Sorry,
civil society work cant happen like that...<br>
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If you want to add things like 'what in our opinion is' to relevant
parts of the proposed statement, please go ahead...<br>
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parminder <br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The
Internet Governance Caucus notes with horror the manner in
which the global population is being subject to such
intrusive and intense surveillance by the US government in
complicity with US based companies like Microsoft, Yahoo,
Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple.
Apart from being against all tenets of basic human rights,
it exposes the hypocrisy of the claims by the US government
of a special global legitimacy based on the 'historic role'
vis a vis the governance of the Internet. We are further
troubled that in US government statements on the PRISM
related disclosures, the main defence it seems to take is to
say that they would never do any such thing to any US
citizen. What about the non US citizens? And what about the
claims of the US government that they are responsible to the
'global Internet community', a refrain frequently heard from
the US government in the global Internet governance space?
Why the double talk across spaces where technical management
of the Internet is discussed and where 'harder' issues of
privacy, security and rights – from political and civil
rights to economic and social rights - get implicated?
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">We are also
extremely disappointed by how the US based global companies
- Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype,
YouTube and Apple – betrayed the trust of their global
customers in cooperating with the US government in such mass
scale surveillance. Reports on how Twitter seems to have
refused to cooperate show the kind of options that may have
been available to these other companies as well. The denials
by some of these companies about allowing government deep
and largely indiscriminate access to information on their
servers seem to run contrary to most news reports, which
have not been contradicted by US authorities on these
aspects.
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">We wonder
if there is a pro quid quo between the US government and
these US based Internet companies with global operations,
whereby these companies help further US government's
political, military, etc interests worldwide and the US
government in turn puts its political might in service of
ensuring an unregulated global space for these Internet
businesses? A good example of this is the insistence by the
US government at the OECD and US-EU trade talks to maintain
lowest possible data privacy standards, against considerable
resistance by EU countries.
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">The
Internet Governance Caucus demand that the Human Rights
Council calls for a special report and a special session on
this issue. It should also proceed to examine ways to
develop globally-applicable norms and principles on digital
privacy and basic structures of legal frameworks and due
process that ensures people's rights in online spaces – both
civil and political rights as well as social and economic
rights.
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