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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately there doesn`t seem to be even the most minimal agreement on this list concerning the nature of the public interest with respect to the Internet and Internet Governance (or even if there is a public interest with respect to Internet Governance). It has thus proven to be fundamentally impossible to ``do something productive``.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Going forward, without some clear response from those who have in the past been either designated or self-designated spokespersons for the `technical community` within the IGC and IGF it would appear similarly impossible to determine whether there is an agreement sufficient to move forward concerning the most recent revelations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That this is the case concerning, as I said earlier, the most significant issue to arise concerning the Internet and it`s ``governance`` since the inception of the Internet is to my mind truly and sadly astonishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Ashton-Hart<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [governance] Is 'tit for tat' all that can be accomplished?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Reading the governance list, I'm struck by how little discussion there is on how to take the things that you presumably agree on (objection to overbroad surveillance, etc.) and do something productive with it; it seems almost all effort is spent trying to score points against factions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is this really the best that this list can do?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Other lists - like Best Bits - are responding with statements and the like on topical subjects. Would you rather score points <b>against</b> one another, or score points <b>for</b> the public interest?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>