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It is Sisyphean task. <br>
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But please let us avoid revisionism. We need to test the veracity
and politics of colleagues on this list and see if they have been
justified in taking the positions they do.<br>
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Cream rises to the top, but crap also floats unfortunately. So let
us not be too hasty in calls for unity. The wheat needs to be
separated from the chaff. After all nothing like reality or evidence
to do this job. After all, you all are anti-American by doing this
by some definitions of the term on this list. And let us not forget
that the people pushing these views have had inordinate play on this
list so they have to reap what they have sown, and be graded by
their perspicacity. On this issue in this space, slow is better.<br>
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10px 15px; display:table;">
<p>First they came for the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist"
title="Socialist" class="mw-redirect">socialists</a>,<br>
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.</p>
<p>Then they came for the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_unionist"
title="Trade unionist" class="mw-redirect">trade unionists</a>,<br>
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.</p>
<p>Then they came for the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews" title="Jews">Jews</a>,<br>
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.</p>
<p>Then they came for me,<br>
and there was no one left to speak for me.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/06/10 06:50 PM, Deirdre
Williams wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMz5XN522GkUvz-=xGFOmZ+69iMYCoF_UC-zjzRnrsJVrOJtmw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">From a practical point of view this is a bad time
to show fractures within the civil society group.
<div>Many (most??) of us have formally identified ourselves as
"civil society". If this means anything at all it means that
we hold some values in common.</div>
<div>If we all push together at the same boulder - who knows? -
we might even be able to get it to the top of the hill without
its rolling down and squashing us.</div>
<div style="">Although since stone-rolling was the punishment
for deceit this may not be the best image to use in the
context. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus</a></div>
<div style="">Or perhaps like Camus we "must imagine Sisyphus
happy" and keep on struggling.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus</a></div>
<div style="">
Deirdre</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 June 2013 10:37, Kerry Brown <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kerry@kdbsystems.com" target="_blank">kerry@kdbsystems.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I don't
know if this counts as the "technical community" but it does
provide a plausible technical scenario.<br>
<br>
As an aside I am really getting tired of the us vs. them
conversations. We are a community that is made up of
communities. Many people have their fingers in many
communities. There is a lot of overlap. Trying to reduce
every conversation to sides is not useful and only causes
division when we should be seeking unification and
consensus.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Kerry Brown<br>
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