<div dir="ltr">+1</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">works for me<br>
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-----Original Message----- From: Tapani Tarvainen<br>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:52 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Revised Draft IGC Statement #DRM in HTML5<br>
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I'm happy with that.<br>
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Tapani<br>
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On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 05:38:49PM -0400, Deirdre Williams (<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
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This is the text we are suggesting.<br>
<br>
The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses and supports<br>
the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)<br>
<<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
<br>
We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5<br>
has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously compromise the rights<br>
of end users; for these reasons particularly, we object to the inclusion of<br>
DRM in HTML5.<br>
<br>
We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their statement "EFF's<br>
Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter"<br>
<<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
<br>
Deirdre<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
On 8 June 2013 16:41, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<br>
<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@<u></u>gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Good Point Adam and Deirdre, let's try and get a text to reflect the<br>
> recently proposed changes.<br>
><br>
> Kind Regards,<br>
> Sala<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Catherine's and Deirdre's proposed changes are excellent. If we were<br>
>> in a formal process they'd be a welcome friendly amendment. I suggest<br>
>> we proceed noting support for EFF's position and this revised<br>
>> sentence.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Adam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Deirdre Williams<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > If the W3C meeting is in Japan on Monday and we need 48 hours (I<br>
>> think??) to<br>
>> > establish consensus then we don't really have time, but is it worth<br>
>> trying<br>
>> > with this format Sala? Several people had already accepted Adam's<br>
>> > suggestion, and this now speaks to Catherine's concerns.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >>> > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses and<br>
>> >>>supports the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier<br>
>> >>>Foundation (EFF)<br>
>> >>><<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> > "We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in<br>
>> HTML5<br>
>> > has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously compromise the<br>
>> rights<br>
>> > of end users; for these reasons particularly, we object to the<br>
>> inclusion of<br>
>> > DRM in HTML5."<br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their >> >>> > statement<br>
>> >>>"EFF's Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter"<br>
>> >>><<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 8 June 2013 14:03, Catherine Roy <<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Deirdre,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> That would be great. But just in case I was not clear, I do not >> >> object<br>
>> we<br>
>> >> keep the bit about stifling innovation either, so it could be<br>
>> something like<br>
>> >> :<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> "We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in<br>
>> HTML5<br>
>> >> has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously compromise the<br>
>> rights<br>
>> >> of end users; for these reasons particularly, we object to the<br>
>> inclusion of<br>
>> >> DRM in HTML5."<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Best regards,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Catherine<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Catherine Roy<br>
>> >> <a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 08/06/2013 1:51 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What about taking Adam's suggestion but changing the second >> >> sentence:<br>
>> >> We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in HTML5 >> >> has<br>
>> >> the potential to stifle innovation and we object to the inclusion of<br>
>> digital<br>
>> >> rights management (DRM) in HTML5.<br>
>> >> to this:<br>
>> >> We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in HTML5<br>
>> >> seriously compromises the rights of end users; for this reason<br>
>> particularly<br>
>> >> we object to the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in >> >> HTML5<br>
>> >> Deirdre<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 8 June 2013 13:18, Catherine Roy <<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>> >> >> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Hi all,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> To be clear, I believe that as one W3C staffer put it recently, EFF<br>
>> has<br>
>> >>> decided to take the fight against DRM in HTML5 inside the W3C to be<br>
>> more<br>
>> >>> effective by becoming a member and following the W3C process. >> >>> Sending<br>
>> >>> petitions and writing indignated articles and press releases, while<br>
>> having<br>
>> >>> their place in the landscape, will go only so far in terms of >> >>> turning<br>
>> this<br>
>> >>> issue around. Also, since there are plenty of people arguing the<br>
>> technical<br>
>> >>> drawbacks in the several mailing lists related to HTML, restricted<br>
>> media,<br>
>> >>> etc., and that a technical formal objection has also been filed (to<br>
>> which I<br>
>> >>> have lent my support), EFF probably found that, in the short term,<br>
>> the best<br>
>> >>> way to have a grasp on the issue of DRM in HTML5 was to argue that<br>
>> this work<br>
>> >>> is out of scope for the working group. But this remains an issue of<br>
>> saying<br>
>> >>> no to DRM in HTML5 and the EFF formal objection is very clear as to<br>
>> why it<br>
>> >>> has filed this FO.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> As for the IGC, I found it encourageing that there was finally a<br>
>> >>> semblance of agreement to make a public show of support for the >> >>> EFF's<br>
>> FO by<br>
>> >>> releasing a short statement to that effect. My problem here was >> >>> with<br>
>> the<br>
>> >>> statement itself. I believe it would be a good idea to explain >> >>> *why*<br>
>> we<br>
>> >>> support the objection. I understand that it needs to be short and<br>
>> sweet to<br>
>> >>> ensure consensus among this group. But simply saying that we >> >>> support<br>
>> it<br>
>> >>> because DRM "stifles innovation" is rather lacking IMHO. At the >> >>> heart<br>
>> of<br>
>> >>> this issue is users rights and the EFF FO is quite eloquent and<br>
>> thurough on<br>
>> >>> this aspect. I am kind of newish here so perhaps I have >> >>> misunderstood<br>
>> the<br>
>> >>> IGC interests but I thought users rights was a major one for the<br>
>> group and<br>
>> >>> had hoped a small snippet of a sentence regarding our concerns on >> >>> this<br>
>> >>> particular aspect would be good idea. Perhaps I was mistaken.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Finally, as I explained to someone off-list, I believe the W3C is<br>
>> under<br>
>> >>> enormous pressure at the moment regarding this issue and every >> >>> action<br>
>> >>> counts. So much pressure in fact that, as discussed by a W3C >> >>> employee<br>
>> in a<br>
>> >>> recent guardian article[1], the W3C Advisory Committee will be >> >>> trying<br>
>> to<br>
>> >>> reach consensus on the decision to include or not DRM compatibility<br>
>> in HTML<br>
>> >>> this coming Monday in Japan. So yes, time is of the essence but I<br>
>> think it<br>
>> >>> is still not too late to weigh in on this issue.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Best regards,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Catherine<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> [1]<br>
>> >>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/html5-drm-w3c-open-web" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/<u></u>technology/2013/jun/06/html5-<u></u>drm-w3c-open-web</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 08/06/2013 7:41 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Thanks Catherine, Deirdre.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I think, or hope, we are pretty much in agreement. I tried to make<br>
>> the<br>
>> >>> proposed IGC comment pretty simple, cutting the paragraphs that had<br>
>> >>> attracted the most disagreement. That left an opening sentence<br>
>> saying IGC<br>
>> >>> supports the EFF statement. 2nd sentence saying IGC thinks DRM in<br>
>> HTML5<br>
>> >>> harmful, trying to capture the overall sense of the other >> >>> paragraphs<br>
>> >>> discussed on the list. 3rd sentence IGC supports the EFF >> >>> statement.<br>
>> I know<br>
>> >>> 1st and 3rd rather the same, but that was the point. After a lot >> >>> of<br>
>> to&fro<br>
>> >>> where we seemed not to be getting anywhere, just tried to make<br>
>> something<br>
>> >>> simple.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I suspect we won't get consensus on more.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> And either we say something simple or end up, again, with a >> >>> blathering<br>
>> >>> and generally meaningless set of contradictions and compromise (for<br>
>> example<br>
>> >>> see the IGC's February comment to the IGF open consultation).<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Best,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Adam<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Thank you Catherine - that's what I thought.<br>
>> >>> But if EFF has gone to such lengths to object to the working group<br>
>> >>> charter rather than to DRM in HTML5 directly then I'm wondering why<br>
>> we are<br>
>> >>> not simply supporting the EFF objection to the Charter?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 7 June 2013 13:10, Catherine Roy <<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>> >> >>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Hi Deirdre.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> I am sure someone from EFF on this list could explain it better >> >>>> than<br>
>> I<br>
>> >>>> so please correct me as needed but my understanding is that EFF's<br>
>> formal<br>
>> >>>> objection concerns an element of the HTML Working Group charter >> >>>> that<br>
>> enables<br>
>> >>>> the Working Group to propose the Encrypted Media Extensions (EME)<br>
>> >>>> specification which effectively represents a technology that, in<br>
>> >>>> combination with Content Decryption Modules (CDMs), allows "the<br>
>> remote<br>
>> >>>> determination of end-user usage of content". EME is used with >> >>>> CDMs,<br>
>> which is<br>
>> >>>> a software component that permits access to encrypted resources >> >>>> (so<br>
>> >>>> basically DRM).<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> EFF has made a formal objection on the Working Group charter to<br>
>> >>>> basically argue that such work, which is formulated in the charter >> >>>> as<br>
>> >>>> "supporting playback of protected content", is out of scope for >> >>>> the<br>
>> Working<br>
>> >>>> Group deliverables. So in effect, EFF is objecting to the fact >> >>>> that<br>
>> W3C,<br>
>> >>>> through its HTML Working Group, propose a specification that will<br>
>> enable the<br>
>> >>>> use of Digital Rights Management (via CDMs) in HTML5.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> It is my understanding that by supporting the EFF formal >> >>>> objection,<br>
>> IGC<br>
>> >>>> is effectively saying no to DRM in HTML5.<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Best regards,<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Catherine<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> Catherine Roy<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On 07/06/2013 10:02 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Could someone please help to clarify things for me?<br>
>> >>>> I hadn't responded before about the Electronic Frontier Foundation<br>
>> (EFF)<br>
>> >>>> statement because I had no time to read the documents until this<br>
>> morning.<br>
>> >>>> My understanding is that the IGC was asked if it would support the<br>
>> >>>> recent EFF statement.<br>
>> >>>> The EFF statement is a "Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft<br>
>> Charter",<br>
>> >>>> indicating that the Charter "represents a significant broadening >> >>>> of<br>
>> scope<br>
>> >>>> for the HTML WG (and the W3C as a whole) to include the remote<br>
>> determination<br>
>> >>>> of end-user usage of content."<br>
>> >>>> <a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/<u></u>w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a> The<br>
>> objection is<br>
>> >>>> NOT to DRM in HTML5 as such, although the text contains a detailed<br>
>> >>>> discussion of that issue as justification fotr the objection.<br>
>> >>>> Particularly within the working group Charter, the objection is to<br>
>> this<br>
>> >>>> reference in 2 -<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> "Some examples of features that would be in scope for the updated<br>
>> HTML<br>
>> >>>> specification:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> additions to the HTMLMediaElement element interface, to support >> >>>> use<br>
>> >>>> cases such as live events or premium content; for example, >> >>>> additions<br>
>> for:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> facilitating adaptive streaming (Media Source Extensions)<br>
>> >>>> supporting playback of protected content"<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/html/wg/<u></u>charter/2012/</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> So please - are we discussing offering support to EFF's Objection >> >>>> to<br>
>> the<br>
>> >>>> Charter, or are we creating an IGC statement on DRM in HTML5?<br>
>> >>>> And if the latter, are we doing anything about EFF's Objection, >> >>>> which<br>
>> >>>> was what we were asked about in the first place?<br>
>> >>>> Thank you<br>
>> >>>> Deirdre<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> On 7 June 2013 01:54, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Hi Catherine,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Does the EFF statement cover your concerns?<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Best,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Adam<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Catherine Roy wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Hi,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> While I support this latest formulation by Adam as it is simple, >> >>>>> to<br>
>> the<br>
>> >>>>> point and avoids ambiguous and perhaps (for the moment) >> >>>>> unprovable<br>
>> facts, I<br>
>> >>>>> feel it is lacking with regards to users' rights, which is also >> >>>>> one<br>
>> of the<br>
>> >>>>> key issues at the heart of this whole matter. That is, as someone<br>
>> on the W3C<br>
>> >>>>> restricted media mailing list mentioned, standards should be at >> >>>>> the<br>
>> margin<br>
>> >>>>> of debates, and if required to take part, should always, in the<br>
>> end, be on<br>
>> >>>>> the side of the user. Much like optimizing sites for particular<br>
>> browsers<br>
>> >>>>> that shut out certain users, there is a real problem here with<br>
>> shutting out<br>
>> >>>>> users who do not have the right software/hardware from content >> >>>>> (in<br>
>> this<br>
>> >>>>> case, much of the discussions revolve around premium content but<br>
>> it could<br>
>> >>>>> extend to any content that applies DRM). So, while I am not a<br>
>> wordsmith and<br>
>> >>>>> therefore apologize for not proposing exact wording, I would like<br>
>> to see<br>
>> >>>>> something more clear in the statement regarding users rights and<br>
>> sovereignty<br>
>> >>>>> over their euh, "equipment".<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Best regards,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Catherine<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> --<br>
>> >>>>> Catherine Roy<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On 2013-06-06 04:52, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Hi Sala,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> To be honest, having to remember a url and jump off to a separate<br>
>> site<br>
>> >>>>> for such a small statement is a pain. In my opinion, anyway.<br>
>> Perhaps you<br>
>> >>>>> can see the stats on the <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> page, how many<br>
>> people<br>
>> >>>>> bother to visit vs the very large number who read the list?<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> A cleaned up version of a short statement:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses and<br>
>> >>>>> supports the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier<br>
>> Foundation<br>
>> >>>>> (EFF) >> >>>>> <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in >> >>>>> HTML5<br>
>> has<br>
>> >>>>> the potential to stifle innovation and we object to the inclusion<br>
>> of digital<br>
>> >>>>> rights management (DRM) in HTML5.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their >> >>>>> statement<br>
>> >>>>> "EFF's Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter"<br>
>> >>>>> <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/<u></u>drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-<u></u>wg</a>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> The EFF statement we're considering to support is itself long and<br>
>> >>>>> speaks for itself. See no need to add more than above.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Adam<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> In case, people missed it. The revised Statement is live at:<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/<u></u>digressit/archives/112</a> where you can add<br>
>> your<br>
>> >>>>> comments and suggest text.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Kind Regards,<br>
>> >>>>> Sala<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
>> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@<u></u>gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Dear All,<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Further to the discussions on the mailing list, I have revised >> >>>>>> the<br>
>> >>>>>> first version to the one below. I have highlighted the sentence<br>
>> still in<br>
>> >>>>>> contention and also note that there are mixed reactions to the<br>
>> balance of<br>
>> >>>>>> the protection of intellectual property rights through mediums<br>
>> like the DRM<br>
>> >>>>>> to protect innovation and challenges to threats of impeded<br>
>> "Access". This is<br>
>> >>>>>> a very interesting debate and one I believe should be thoroughly<br>
>> explored by<br>
>> >>>>>> the IGC where we can come to some common ground (if we are able<br>
>> to). I have<br>
>> >>>>>> not had the time to read Frank La Rue's new report but it would >> >>>>>> be<br>
>> >>>>>> interesting to see his report of what the world is saying in<br>
>> relation to<br>
>> >>>>>> this conflict. I am of course interested in what the IGC has to<br>
>> say.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Roland and Avri raised some very interesting points that deserve<br>
>> >>>>>> discussion. As we speak, the Statement will be hosted on the<br>
>> Statement<br>
>> >>>>>> Workspace on the IGC website. I have tried to capture every<br>
>> comment in the<br>
>> >>>>>> attached document. I find that Statement Workspaces are far more<br>
>> effective<br>
>> >>>>>> in neatly allowing people to comment on each sentence etc, so my<br>
>> apologies<br>
>> >>>>>> if the attached document is inherently messy.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> What are your collective thoughts on what Roland suggested that<br>
>> whilst<br>
>> >>>>>> there are many battles, this is not one we should spend time on?<br>
>> The key<br>
>> >>>>>> issues for your deliberation would be:-<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights Management?<br>
>> >>>>>> What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights Management in HTML >> >>>>>> 5?<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Thank you to all those for suggesting text and new wordings and<br>
>> >>>>>> phrases. I have tried to capture your views below. All the<br>
>> mistakes are of<br>
>> >>>>>> course mine. Let us have your thoughts. As soon as the Statement<br>
>> is on the<br>
>> >>>>>> Workspace, Norbert will inform us and this will allow us to >> >>>>>> track<br>
>> comments<br>
>> >>>>>> on the revised statement.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Revised Draft Statement on Support for EFF’s Objection<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) objects to >> >>>>>> the<br>
>> >>>>>> inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5. We >> >>>>>> endorse<br>
>> and<br>
>> >>>>>> support the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier<br>
>> Foundation<br>
>> >>>>>> (EFF) and that the draft proposal from the World Wide Web<br>
>> Consortium (W3C)<br>
>> >>>>>> could stifle Web innovation and block access to content for >> >>>>>> people<br>
>> across<br>
>> >>>>>> the planet.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> We believe that the proposed standard by W3C is a serious threat<br>
>> to an<br>
>> >>>>>> open and free internet. The inherent danger of the proposal >> >>>>>> would<br>
>> be to shut<br>
>> >>>>>> out open source developers and competition, destroy<br>
>> interoperability and<br>
>> >>>>>> lock in legacy business models.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> Much of the developing world relies on open source developers to<br>
>> >>>>>> enable OR CREATE mechanisms that allow for an open environment >> >>>>>> of<br>
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>> >>>>>> resources related to agricultural practices, education, health >> >>>>>> and<br>
>> diverse<br>
>> >>>>>> content. In such regions, access to information is a challenge >> >>>>>> and<br>
>> with<br>
>> >>>>>> serious resource constraints, but it is an open and free >> >>>>>> internet<br>
>> (and the<br>
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>> >>>>>> communities.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>> For the foregoing reasons we reiterate our strong objection to >> >>>>>> the<br>
>> >>>>>> support for DRM technologies in HTML5, and our agreement with >> >>>>>> the<br>
>> EFF's<br>
>> >>>>>> arguments in this regard.<br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
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>> William<br>
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>> William<br>
>> >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979<br>
>> >><br>
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>> William<br>
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>><br>
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> --<br>
> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>
> P.O. Box 17862<br>
> Suva<br>
> Fiji<br>
><br>
> Twitter: @SalanietaT<br>
> Skype:Salanieta.<u></u>Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
> Tel: +679 3544828<br>
> Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851<br>
> Blog: <a href="http://salanieta.blogspot.com" target="_blank">salanieta.blogspot.com</a><br>
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