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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Deirdre,<br>
<br>
That would be great. But just in case I was not clear, I do not
object we keep the bit about stifling innovation either, so it
could be something like :<br>
<br>
"<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in
HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously
compromise the rights of end users; for these reasons
particularly, </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">we object to
the inclusion of DRM in HTML5."</span><br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
On 08/06/2013 1:51 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAMz5XN6F3mftY3Zt=ON75ZHbR7Ss=+pYc290YpGsv890jfUB+g@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style=""><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What
about taking Adam's suggestion but changing the second
sentence:</span></div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in
HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and we object to
the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5.</span><br>
<div style=""><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to this:</span></div>
<div style=""><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in
HTML5 seriously compromises the rights of end users; for
this reason particularly </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">we
object to the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM)
in HTML5</span></div>
<div style=""><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Deirdre</span></div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 June 2013 13:18, Catherine Roy <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>Hi all,<br>
<br>
To be clear, I believe that as one W3C staffer put it
recently, EFF has decided to take the fight against DRM
in HTML5 inside the W3C to be more effective by becoming
a member and following the W3C process. Sending
petitions and writing indignated articles and press
releases, while having their place in the landscape,
will go only so far in terms of turning this issue
around. Also, since there are plenty of people arguing
the technical drawbacks in the several mailing lists
related to HTML, restricted media, etc., and that a
technical formal objection has also been filed (to which
I have lent my support), EFF probably found that, in the
short term, the best way to have a grasp on the issue of
DRM in HTML5 was to argue that this work is out of scope
for the working group. But this remains an issue of
saying no to DRM in HTML5 and the EFF formal objection
is very clear as to why it has filed this FO.<br>
<br>
As for the IGC, I found it encourageing that there was
finally a semblance of agreement to make a public show
of support for the EFF's FO by releasing a short
statement to that effect. My problem here was with the
statement itself. I believe it would be a good idea to
explain *why* we support the objection. I understand
that it needs to be short and sweet to ensure consensus
among this group. But simply saying that we support it
because DRM "stifles innovation" is rather lacking IMHO.
At the heart of this issue is users rights and the EFF
FO is quite eloquent and thurough on this aspect. I am
kind of newish here so perhaps I have misunderstood the
IGC interests but I thought users rights was a major one
for the group and had hoped a small snippet of a
sentence regarding our concerns on this particular
aspect would be good idea. Perhaps I was mistaken.<br>
<br>
Finally, as I explained to someone off-list, I believe
the W3C is under enormous pressure at the moment
regarding this issue and every action counts. So much
pressure in fact that, as discussed by a W3C employee in
a recent guardian article[1], the W3C Advisory Committee
will be trying to reach consensus on the decision to
include or not DRM compatibility in HTML this coming
Monday in Japan. So yes, time is of the essence but I
think it is still not too late to weigh in on this
issue.<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine <br>
<br>
<br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/html5-drm-w3c-open-web"
target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/html5-drm-w3c-open-web</a>
<br>
<div>
<div class="h5"> <br>
<br>
<br>
On 08/06/2013 7:41 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks Catherine, Deirdre.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think, or hope, we are pretty much in
agreement. I tried to make the proposed IGC
comment pretty simple, cutting the paragraphs that
had attracted the most disagreement. That left an
opening sentence saying IGC supports the EFF
statement. 2nd sentence saying IGC thinks DRM in
HTML5 harmful, trying to capture the overall sense
of the other paragraphs discussed on the list.
3rd sentence IGC supports the EFF statement. I
know 1st and 3rd rather the same, but that was the
point. After a lot of to&fro where we seemed
not to be getting anywhere, just tried to make
something simple. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suspect we won't get consensus on more. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And either we say something simple or end up,
again, with a blathering and generally meaningless
set of contradictions and compromise (for example
see the IGC's February comment to the IGF open
consultation).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Deirdre
Williams wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank
you Catherine - that's what I thought. </span>
<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">But
if EFF has gone to such lengths to object
to the working group charter rather than
to DRM in HTML5 directly then I'm
wondering why we are not simply supporting
the EFF objection to the Charter?</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2013
13:10, Catherine Roy <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net"
target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>Hi Deirdre.<br>
<br>
I am sure someone from EFF on this
list could explain it better than I
so please correct me as needed but
my understanding is that EFF's
formal objection concerns an element
of the HTML Working Group charter
that enables the Working Group to
propose the Encrypted Media
Extensions (EME) specification which
effectively represents a technology
that, in combination with Content
Decryption Modules (CDMs), allows
"the remote determination of
end-user usage of content". EME is
used with CDMs, which is a software
component that permits access to
encrypted resources (so basically
DRM).<br>
<br>
EFF has made a formal objection on
the Working Group charter to
basically argue that such work,
which is formulated in the charter
as "supporting playback of protected
content", is out of scope for the
Working Group deliverables. So in
effect, EFF is objecting to the fact
that W3C, through its HTML Working
Group, propose a specification that
will enable the use of Digital
Rights Management (via CDMs) in
HTML5.<br>
<br>
It is my understanding that by
supporting the EFF formal objection,
IGC is effectively saying no to DRM
in HTML5.
<div><br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
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<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<div> On 07/06/2013 10:02 AM,
Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Could someone
please help to clarify things
for me?
<div>I hadn't responded before
about the Electronic
Frontier Foundation (EFF)
statement because I had no
time to read the documents
until this morning.</div>
<div>My understanding is that
the IGC was asked if it
would support the recent EFF
statement.</div>
<div>The EFF statement is a
"Formal Objection to the
HTML WG Draft Charter",
indicating that the Charter
"<span>represents a
significant broadening of
scope for the HTML WG (and
the W3C as a whole) to
include the remote
determination of end-user
usage of content." </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a> The
objection is NOT to DRM in
HTML5 as such, although the
text contains a detailed
discussion of that issue as
justification fotr the
objection.</div>
<div>Particularly within the
working group Charter, the
objection is to this
reference in 2 -</div>
<div>
<p
style="clear:left;font-size:medium;font-family:sans-serif">"Some
examples of features that
would be in scope for the
updated HTML
specification:</p>
<ul>
<li><font color="#000000"
face="sans-serif"
size="3">additions to
the HTMLMediaElement
element interface, to
support use cases such
as live events or
premium content; for
example, additions
for:</font>
<ul
style="font-size:medium;font-family:sans-serif">
<li>facilitating
adaptive streaming (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-source/"
style="color:rgb(85,34,153);background-color:transparent"
target="_blank">Media
Source Extensions</a>)</li>
<li>supporting
playback of
protected content" <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/"
target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/</a> </li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
So please - are we
discussing offering support
to EFF's Objection to the
Charter, or are we creating
an IGC statement on DRM in
HTML5?</div>
<div>And if the latter, are we
doing anything about EFF's
Objection, which was what we
were asked about in the
first place?</div>
<div>Thank you</div>
<div>Deirdre</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7
June 2013 01:54, Adam Peake
<span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp"
target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Catherine,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Does the EFF
statement cover your
concerns? </div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 7,
2013, at 2:14
AM, Catherine
Roy wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
While I
support this
latest
formulation by
Adam as it is
simple, to the
point and
avoids
ambiguous and
perhaps (for
the moment)
unprovable
facts, I feel
it is lacking
with regards
to users'
rights, which
is also one of
the key issues
at the heart
of this whole
matter. That
is, as someone
on the W3C
restricted
media mailing
list
mentioned,
standards
should be at
the margin of
debates, and
if required to
take part,
should always,
in the end, be
on the side of
the user. Much
like
optimizing
sites for
particular
browsers that
shut out
certain users,
there is a
real problem
here with
shutting out
users who do
not have the
right
software/hardware
from content
(in this case,
much of the
discussions
revolve around
premium
content but
it could
extend to any
content that
applies DRM).
So, while I am
not a
wordsmith and
therefore
apologize for
not proposing
exact wording,
I would like
to see
something more
clear in the
statement
regarding
users rights
and
sovereignty
over their
euh,
"equipment".<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.catherine-roy.net/" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a></pre>
<br>
<br>
On 2013-06-06
04:52, Adam
Peake wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Sala, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be
honest, having
to remember a
url and jump
off to a
separate site
for such a
small
statement is a
pain. In my
opinion,
anyway.
Perhaps you
can see the
stats on the <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> page,
how many
people bother
to visit vs
the very large
number who
read the list?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A cleaned
up version of
a short
statement:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Civil
Society
Internet
Governance
Caucus (IGC)
endorses and
supports the
formal
objection
lodged by the
Electronic
Frontier
Foundation
(EFF) <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We
believe that
the inclusion
of digital
rights
management in
HTML5 has the
potential to
stifle
innovation and
we object to
the inclusion
of digital
rights
management
(DRM) in
HTML5.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We fully
endorse the
arguments
raised by the
EFF in their
statement
"EFF's Formal
Objection to
the HTML WG
Draft Charter"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg"
target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The EFF
statement
we're
considering to
support is
itself long
and speaks for
itself. See
no need to add
more than
above.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 6,
2013, at 4:30
AM, Salanieta
T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro
wrote:</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote
type="cite">In
case, people
missed it. The
revised
Statement is
live at:<br>
<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112</a>
where you can
add your
comments and
suggest text.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Sala<br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Jun 6,
2013 at 2:50
AM, Salanieta
T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com"
target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear
All,<br>
<br>
Further to the
discussions on
the mailing
list, I have
revised the
first version
to the one
below. I have
highlighted
the sentence
still in
contention and
also note that
there are
mixed
reactions to
the balance of
the protection
of
intellectual
property
rights through
mediums like
the DRM to
protect
innovation and
challenges to
threats of
impeded
"Access". This
is a very
interesting
debate and one
I believe
should be
thoroughly
explored by
the IGC where
we can come to
some common
ground (if we
are able to).
I have not had
the time to
read Frank La
Rue's new
report but it
would be
interesting to
see his report
of what the
world is
saying in
relation to
this conflict.
I am of course
interested in
what the IGC
has to say.<br>
<br>
Roland and
Avri raised
some very
interesting
points that
deserve
discussion. As
we speak, the
Statement will
be hosted on
the Statement
Workspace on
the IGC
website. I
have tried to
capture every
comment in the
attached
document. I
find that
Statement
Workspaces are
far more
effective in
neatly
allowing
people to
comment on
each sentence
etc, so my
apologies if
the attached
document is
inherently
messy.<br>
<br>
What are your
collective
thoughts on
what Roland
suggested that
whilst there
are many
battles, this
is not one we
should spend
time on? The
key issues for
your
deliberation
would be:-<br>
<ul>
<li>What is
the IGC's
position on
Digital Rights
Management?</li>
<li>What is
the IGC's
position on
Digital Rights
Management in
HTML 5?</li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you
to all those
for suggesting
text and new
wordings and
phrases. I
have tried to
capture your
views below.
All the
mistakes are
of course
mine. Let us
have your
thoughts. As
soon as the
Statement is
on the
Workspace,
Norbert will
inform us and
this will
allow us to
track comments
on the
revised
statement.<br>
</p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Revised
Draft
Statement on
Support for
EFF’s
Objection</span></u></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
Civil Society
Internet
Governance
Caucus (IGC)
objects to the
inclusion of
digital rights
management
(DRM) in
HTML5. We
endorse and
support the
formal
objection
lodged by the
Electronic
Frontier
Foundation
(EFF) and that
the draft
proposal from
the World Wide
Web Consortium
(W3C) could
stifle Web
innovation and
block access
to content for
people across
the planet.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We
believe that
the proposed
standard by
W3C is a
serious threat
to an open and
free internet.
<span
style="background:yellow">The
inherent
danger of the
proposal would
be to shut out
open source
developers and
competition,
destroy
interoperability
and lock in
legacy
business
models.</span></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span
style="background:yellow"><br>
</span></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:0in;text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Much
of the
developing
world relies
on open source
developers to
enable OR
CREATE mechanisms
that allow for
an open
environment of
sharing
resources
related to
agricultural
practices,
education,
health and
diverse
content. In
such regions,
access to
information is
a challenge
and with
serious
resource
constraints,
but it is an
open and free
internet (and
the resultant
ease of
collaboration/sharing
information)
that empowers
communities.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For
the foregoing
reasons we
reiterate our
strong
objection to
the support
for DRM
technologies
in HTML5, and
our agreement
with the EFF's
arguments in
this regard.</span></p>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br
clear="all">
<br>
-- <br>
<div>Salanieta
Tamanikaiwaimaro
aka Sala</div>
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