<div dir="ltr">If the W3C meeting is in Japan on Monday and we need 48 hours (I think??) to establish consensus then we don't really have time, but is it worth trying with this format Sala? Several people had already accepted Adam's suggestion, and this now speaks to Catherine's concerns.<div>

<br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>> > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses and</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>>supports the formal objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>>Foundation (EFF) </span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>><</span><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>> > </span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously compromise the rights of end users; for these reasons particularly, </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">we object to the inclusion of DRM in HTML5."</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>> > </span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>> > We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their statement</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>>"EFF's Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter"</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>><</span><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br>

<div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 June 2013 14:03, Catherine Roy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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    <div>Hi Deirdre,<br>
      <br>
      That would be great. But just in case I was not clear, I do not
      object we keep the bit about stifling innovation either, so it
      could be something like :<br>
      <br>
      "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
        believe that the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in
        HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and seriously
        compromise the rights of end users; for these reasons
        particularly, </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">we object to
        the inclusion of DRM in HTML5."</span><div class="im"><br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      <br>
      Catherine<br>
      <br>
      <pre cols="72">-- 
Catherine Roy
<a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a></pre>
      <br>
      <br></div><div><div class="h5">
      On 08/06/2013 1:51 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What
            about taking Adam's suggestion but changing the second
            sentence:</span></div>
        <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
          believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in
          HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and we object to
          the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5.</span><br>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to this:</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
            believe that the inclusion of digital rights management in
            HTML5 seriously compromises the rights of end users; for
            this reason particularly </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">we
            object to the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM)
            in HTML5</span></div>
        <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Deirdre</span></div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On 8 June 2013 13:18, Catherine Roy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
              <div>Hi all,<br>
                <br>
                To be clear, I believe that as one W3C staffer put it
                recently, EFF has decided to take the fight against DRM
                in HTML5 inside the W3C to be more effective by becoming
                a member and following the W3C process. Sending
                petitions and writing indignated articles and press
                releases, while having their place in the landscape,
                will go only so far in terms of turning this issue
                around. Also, since there are plenty of people arguing
                the technical drawbacks in the several mailing lists
                related to HTML, restricted media, etc., and that a
                technical formal objection has also been filed (to which
                I have lent my support), EFF probably found that, in the
                short term, the best way to have a grasp on the issue of
                DRM in HTML5 was to argue that this work is out of scope
                for the working group. But this remains an issue of
                saying no to DRM in HTML5 and the EFF formal objection
                is very clear as to why it has filed this FO.<br>
                <br>
                As for the IGC, I found it encourageing that there was
                finally a semblance of agreement to make a public show
                of support for the EFF's FO by releasing a short
                statement to that effect. My problem here was with the
                statement itself. I believe it would be a good idea to
                explain *why* we support the objection. I understand
                that it needs to be short and sweet to ensure consensus
                among this group. But simply saying that we support it
                because DRM "stifles innovation" is rather lacking IMHO.
                At the heart of this issue is users rights and the EFF
                FO is quite eloquent and thurough on this aspect. I am
                kind of newish here so perhaps I have misunderstood the
                IGC interests but I thought users rights was a major one
                for the group and had hoped a small snippet of a
                sentence regarding our concerns on this particular
                aspect would be good idea. Perhaps I was mistaken.<br>
                <br>
                Finally, as I explained to someone off-list, I believe
                the W3C is under enormous pressure at the moment
                regarding this issue and every action counts. So much
                pressure in fact that, as discussed by a W3C employee in
                a recent guardian article[1], the W3C Advisory Committee
                will be trying to reach consensus on the decision to
                include or not DRM compatibility in HTML this coming
                Monday in Japan. So yes, time is of the essence but I
                think it is still not too late to weigh in on this
                issue.<br>
                <br>
                Best regards, <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Catherine <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                [1] <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/html5-drm-w3c-open-web" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/html5-drm-w3c-open-web</a>
                <br>
                <div>
                  <div> <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    On 08/06/2013 7:41 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Thanks Catherine, Deirdre.
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I think, or hope, we are pretty much in
                      agreement.  I tried to make the proposed IGC
                      comment pretty simple, cutting the paragraphs that
                      had attracted the most disagreement.  That left an
                      opening sentence saying IGC supports the EFF
                      statement.  2nd sentence saying IGC thinks DRM in
                      HTML5 harmful, trying to capture the overall sense
                      of the other paragraphs discussed on the list.
                       3rd sentence IGC supports the EFF statement.  I
                      know 1st and 3rd rather the same, but that was the
                      point.  After a lot of to&fro where we seemed
                      not to be getting anywhere, just tried to make
                      something simple. </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I suspect we won't get consensus on more. </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>And either we say something simple or end up,
                      again, with a blathering and generally meaningless
                      set of contradictions and compromise (for example
                      see the IGC's February comment to the IGF open
                      consultation).</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Best,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Adam</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                      <div>
                        <div>On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Deirdre
                          Williams wrote:</div>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thank

                              you Catherine - that's what I thought. </span>
                            <div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">But

                              if EFF has gone to such lengths to object
                              to the working group charter rather than
                              to DRM in HTML5 directly then I'm
                              wondering why we are not simply supporting
                              the EFF objection to the Charter?</div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2013
                              13:10, Catherine Roy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ecrire@catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">ecrire@catherine-roy.net</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                  <div>Hi Deirdre.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I am sure someone from EFF on this
                                    list could explain it better than I
                                    so please correct me as needed but
                                    my understanding is that EFF's
                                    formal objection concerns an element
                                    of the HTML Working Group charter
                                    that enables the Working Group to
                                    propose the Encrypted Media
                                    Extensions (EME) specification which
                                    effectively represents a technology 
                                    that, in combination with Content
                                    Decryption Modules (CDMs), allows
                                    "the remote determination of
                                    end-user usage of content". EME is
                                    used with CDMs, which is a software
                                    component that permits access to
                                    encrypted resources (so basically
                                    DRM).<br>
                                    <br>
                                    EFF has made a formal objection on
                                    the Working Group charter to
                                    basically argue that such work,
                                    which is formulated in the charter
                                    as "supporting playback of protected
                                    content", is out of scope for the
                                    Working Group deliverables. So in
                                    effect, EFF is objecting to the fact
                                    that W3C, through its HTML Working
                                    Group, propose a specification that
                                    will enable the use of Digital
                                    Rights Management (via CDMs) in
                                    HTML5.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    It is my understanding that by
                                    supporting the EFF formal objection,
                                    IGC is effectively saying no to DRM
                                    in HTML5.
                                    <div><br>
                                      <br>
                                      Best regards,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Catherine<br>
                                      <pre cols="72">-- 
Catherine Roy
<a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net/" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a></pre>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div> On 07/06/2013 10:02 AM,
                                        Deirdre Williams wrote:<br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite">
                                        <div dir="ltr">Could someone
                                          please help to clarify things
                                          for me?
                                          <div>I hadn't responded before
                                            about the Electronic
                                            Frontier Foundation (EFF)
                                            statement because I had no
                                            time to read the documents
                                            until this morning.</div>
                                          <div>My understanding is that
                                            the IGC was asked if it
                                            would support the recent EFF
                                            statement.</div>
                                          <div>The EFF statement is a
                                            "Formal Objection to the
                                            HTML WG Draft Charter",
                                            indicating that the Charter
                                            "<span>represents a
                                              significant broadening of
                                              scope for the HTML WG (and
                                              the W3C as a whole) to
                                              include the remote
                                              determination of end-user
                                              usage of content." </span><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a> The



                                            objection is NOT to DRM in
                                            HTML5 as such, although the
                                            text contains a detailed
                                            discussion of that issue as
                                            justification fotr the
                                            objection.</div>
                                          <div>Particularly within the
                                            working group Charter, the
                                            objection is to this
                                            reference in 2 -</div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p style="clear:left;font-size:medium;font-family:sans-serif">"Some



                                              examples of features that
                                              would be in scope for the
                                              updated HTML
                                              specification:</p>
                                            <ul>
                                              <li><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif" size="3">additions to
                                                  the HTMLMediaElement
                                                  element interface, to
                                                  support use cases such
                                                  as live events or
                                                  premium content; for
                                                  example, additions
                                                  for:</font>
                                                <ul style="font-size:medium;font-family:sans-serif">
                                                  <li>facilitating
                                                    adaptive streaming (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-source/" style="color:rgb(85,34,153);background-color:transparent" target="_blank">Media
                                                      Source Extensions</a>)</li>
                                                  <li>supporting
                                                    playback of
                                                    protected content"  <a href="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/</a> </li>
                                                </ul>
                                              </li>
                                            </ul>
                                            So please - are we
                                            discussing offering support
                                            to EFF's Objection to the
                                            Charter, or are we creating
                                            an IGC statement on DRM in
                                            HTML5?</div>
                                          <div>And if the latter, are we
                                            doing anything about EFF's
                                            Objection, which was what we
                                            were asked about in the
                                            first place?</div>
                                          <div>Thank you</div>
                                          <div>Deirdre</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On 7
                                            June 2013 01:54, Adam Peake
                                            <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Catherine,


                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Does the EFF
                                                  statement cover your
                                                  concerns?  </div>
                                                <div> <br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Best,</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Adam</div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>On Jun 7,
                                                          2013, at 2:14
                                                          AM, Catherine
                                                          Roy wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                                          <div>Hi,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          While I
                                                          support this
                                                          latest
                                                          formulation by
                                                          Adam as it is
                                                          simple, to the
                                                          point and
                                                          avoids
                                                          ambiguous and
                                                          perhaps (for
                                                          the moment)
                                                          unprovable
                                                          facts, I feel
                                                          it is lacking
                                                          with regards
                                                          to users'
                                                          rights, which
                                                          is also one of
                                                          the key issues
                                                          at the heart
                                                          of this whole
                                                          matter. That
                                                          is, as someone
                                                          on the W3C
                                                          restricted
                                                          media mailing
                                                          list
                                                          mentioned,
                                                          standards
                                                          should be at
                                                          the margin of
                                                          debates, and
                                                          if required to
                                                          take part,
                                                          should always,
                                                          in the end, be
                                                          on the side of
                                                          the user. Much
                                                          like
                                                          optimizing
                                                          sites for
                                                          particular
                                                          browsers that
                                                          shut out
                                                          certain users,
                                                          there is a
                                                          real problem
                                                          here with
                                                          shutting out
                                                          users who do 
                                                          not have the
                                                          right
                                                          software/hardware
                                                          from content
                                                          (in this case,
                                                          much of the
                                                          discussions
                                                          revolve around
                                                          premium
                                                          content  but
                                                          it could
                                                          extend to any
                                                          content that
                                                          applies DRM).
                                                          So, while I am
                                                          not a
                                                          wordsmith and
                                                          therefore
                                                          apologize for
                                                          not proposing
                                                          exact wording,
                                                          I would like
                                                          to see
                                                          something more
                                                          clear in the
                                                          statement
                                                          regarding
                                                          users rights
                                                          and
                                                          sovereignty
                                                          over their
                                                          euh,
                                                          "equipment".<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Catherine<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre cols="72">-- 
Catherine Roy
<a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net/" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a></pre>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2013-06-06
                                                          04:52, Adam
                                                          Peake wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Hi Sala, </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>To be
                                                          honest, having
                                                          to remember a
                                                          url and jump
                                                          off to a
                                                          separate site
                                                          for such a
                                                          small
                                                          statement is a
                                                          pain.  In my
                                                          opinion,
                                                          anyway.
                                                           Perhaps you
                                                          can see the
                                                          stats on the <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> page,




                                                          how many
                                                          people bother
                                                          to visit vs
                                                          the very large
                                                          number who
                                                          read the list?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A cleaned
                                                          up version of
                                                          a short
                                                          statement:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The Civil
                                                          Society
                                                          Internet
                                                          Governance
                                                          Caucus (IGC)
                                                          endorses and
                                                          supports the
                                                          formal
                                                          objection
                                                          lodged by the
                                                          Electronic
                                                          Frontier
                                                          Foundation
                                                          (EFF) <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>


                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We
                                                          believe that
                                                          the inclusion
                                                          of digital
                                                          rights
                                                          management in
                                                          HTML5 has the
                                                          potential to
                                                          stifle
                                                          innovation and
                                                          we object to
                                                          the inclusion
                                                          of digital
                                                          rights
                                                          management
                                                          (DRM) in
                                                          HTML5.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We fully
                                                          endorse the
                                                          arguments
                                                          raised by the
                                                          EFF in their
                                                          statement
                                                          "EFF's Formal
                                                          Objection to
                                                          the HTML WG
                                                          Draft Charter"
                                                          <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The EFF
                                                          statement
                                                          we're
                                                          considering to
                                                          support is
                                                          itself long
                                                          and speaks for
                                                          itself.  See
                                                          no need to add
                                                          more than
                                                          above.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Adam</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>On Jun 6,
                                                          2013, at 4:30
                                                          AM, Salanieta
                                                          T.
                                                          Tamanikaiwaimaro
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">In
                                                          case, people
                                                          missed it. The
                                                          revised
                                                          Statement is
                                                          live at:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112</a>
                                                          where you can
                                                          add your
                                                          comments and
                                                          suggest text.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Kind Regards,<br>
                                                          Sala<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Thu, Jun 6,
                                                          2013 at 2:50
                                                          AM, Salanieta
                                                          T.
                                                          Tamanikaiwaimaro
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear

                                                          All,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Further to the
                                                          discussions on
                                                          the mailing
                                                          list, I have
                                                          revised the
                                                          first version
                                                          to the one
                                                          below. I have
                                                          highlighted
                                                          the sentence
                                                          still in
                                                          contention and
                                                          also note that
                                                          there are
                                                          mixed
                                                          reactions to
                                                          the balance of
                                                          the protection
                                                          of
                                                          intellectual
                                                          property
                                                          rights through
                                                          mediums like
                                                          the DRM to
                                                          protect
                                                          innovation and
                                                          challenges to
                                                          threats of
                                                          impeded
                                                          "Access". This
                                                          is a very
                                                          interesting
                                                          debate and one
                                                          I believe
                                                          should be
                                                          thoroughly
                                                          explored by
                                                          the IGC where
                                                          we can come to
                                                          some common
                                                          ground (if we
                                                          are able to).
                                                          I have not had
                                                          the time to
                                                          read Frank La
                                                          Rue's new
                                                          report but it
                                                          would be
                                                          interesting to
                                                          see his report
                                                          of what the
                                                          world is
                                                          saying in
                                                          relation to
                                                          this conflict.
                                                          I am of course
                                                          interested in
                                                          what the IGC
                                                          has to say.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Roland and
                                                          Avri raised
                                                          some very
                                                          interesting
                                                          points that
                                                          deserve
                                                          discussion. As
                                                          we speak, the
                                                          Statement will
                                                          be hosted on
                                                          the Statement
                                                          Workspace on
                                                          the IGC
                                                          website. I
                                                          have tried to
                                                          capture every
                                                          comment in the
                                                          attached
                                                          document. I
                                                          find that
                                                          Statement
                                                          Workspaces are
                                                          far more
                                                          effective in
                                                          neatly
                                                          allowing
                                                          people to
                                                          comment on
                                                          each sentence
                                                          etc, so my
                                                          apologies if
                                                          the attached
                                                          document is
                                                          inherently
                                                          messy.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          What are your
                                                          collective
                                                          thoughts on
                                                          what Roland
                                                          suggested that
                                                          whilst there
                                                          are many
                                                          battles, this
                                                          is not one we
                                                          should spend
                                                          time on? The
                                                          key issues for
                                                          your
                                                          deliberation
                                                          would be:-<br>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>What is
                                                          the IGC's
                                                          position on
                                                          Digital Rights
                                                          Management?</li>
                                                          <li>What is
                                                          the IGC's
                                                          position on
                                                          Digital Rights
                                                          Management in
                                                          HTML 5?</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <p>Thank you
                                                          to all those
                                                          for suggesting
                                                          text and new
                                                          wordings and
                                                          phrases. I
                                                          have tried to
                                                          capture your
                                                          views below.
                                                          All the
                                                          mistakes are
                                                          of course
                                                          mine. Let us
                                                          have your
                                                          thoughts. As
                                                          soon as the
                                                          Statement is
                                                          on the
                                                          Workspace,
                                                          Norbert will
                                                          inform us and
                                                          this will
                                                          allow us to
                                                          track comments
                                                          on the
                                                          revised 
                                                          statement.<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Revised


                                                          Draft
                                                          Statement on
                                                          Support for
                                                          EFF’s
                                                          Objection</span></u></b></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The

                                                          Civil Society
                                                          Internet
                                                          Governance
                                                          Caucus (IGC)
                                                          objects to the
                                                          inclusion of
                                                          digital rights
                                                          management
                                                          (DRM) in
                                                          HTML5. We
                                                          endorse and
                                                          support the
                                                          formal
                                                          objection
                                                          lodged by the
                                                          Electronic
                                                          Frontier
                                                          Foundation
                                                          (EFF) and that
                                                          the draft
                                                          proposal from
                                                          the World Wide
                                                          Web Consortium
                                                          (W3C) could
                                                          stifle Web
                                                          innovation and
                                                          block access
                                                          to content for
                                                          people across
                                                          the planet.</span></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We

                                                          believe that
                                                          the proposed
                                                          standard by
                                                          W3C is a
                                                          serious threat
                                                          to an open and
                                                          free internet.
                                                          <span style="background:yellow">The




                                                          inherent
                                                          danger of the
                                                          proposal would
                                                          be to shut out
                                                          open source
                                                          developers and
                                                          competition,
                                                          destroy
                                                          interoperability
                                                          and lock in
                                                          legacy
                                                          business
                                                          models.</span></span></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span style="background:yellow"><br>
                                                          </span></span></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Much

                                                          of the
                                                          developing
                                                          world relies
                                                          on open source
                                                          developers to
                                                          enable OR
                                                          CREATE mechanisms
                                                          that allow for
                                                          an open
                                                          environment of
                                                          sharing
                                                          resources
                                                          related to
                                                          agricultural
                                                          practices,
                                                          education,
                                                          health and
                                                          diverse
                                                          content. In
                                                          such regions,
                                                          access to
                                                          information is
                                                          a challenge
                                                          and with
                                                          serious
                                                          resource
                                                          constraints,
                                                          but it is an
                                                          open and free
                                                          internet (and
                                                          the resultant
                                                          ease of
                                                          collaboration/sharing
                                                          information)
                                                          that empowers
                                                          communities.</span></p>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For

                                                          the foregoing
                                                          reasons we
                                                          reiterate our
                                                          strong
                                                          objection to
                                                          the support
                                                          for DRM
                                                          technologies
                                                          in HTML5, and
                                                          our agreement
                                                          with the EFF's
                                                          arguments in
                                                          this regard.</span></p>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div>Salanieta
                                                          Tamanikaiwaimaro

                                                          aka Sala</div>
                                                          <div>P.O. Box
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                                                          <div>Suva</div>
                                                          <div>Fiji</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Twitter:
                                                          @SalanietaT</div>
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                            -- <br>
                            “The fundamental cure for poverty is not
                            money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur
                            Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 </div>
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                  <pre cols="72">-- 
Catherine Roy
<a href="http://www.catherine-roy.net" target="_blank">http://www.catherine-roy.net</a></pre>
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        <div><br>
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        -- <br>
        “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
        Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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