<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Well put<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Deirdre Williams <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Could someone please help to clarify things for me?<div>I hadn't responded before about the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) statement because I had no time to read the documents until this morning.</div>
<div>My understanding is that the IGC was asked if it would support the recent EFF statement.</div><div>The EFF statement is a "Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft Charter", indicating that the Charter "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Lucida Grande','Lucida Sans Unicode',sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px">represents a significant broadening of scope for the HTML WG (and the W3C as a whole) to include the remote determination of end-user usage of content." </span><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a> The objection is NOT to DRM in HTML5 as such, although the text contains a detailed discussion of that issue as justification fotr the objection.</div>
<div style="">Particularly within the working group Charter, the objection is to this reference in 2 -</div><div style=""><p style="clear:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:medium">"Some examples of features that would be in scope for the updated HTML specification:</p>
<ul style=""><li style=""><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif" size="3">additions to the HTMLMediaElement element interface, to support use cases such as live events or premium content; for example, additions for:</font><ul style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:medium">
<li style="">facilitating adaptive streaming (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-source/" style="color:rgb(85,34,153);background-color:transparent">Media Source Extensions</a>)</li><li style="">supporting playback of protected content" <a href="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/">http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/</a> </li>
</ul></li></ul>So please - are we discussing offering support to EFF's Objection to the Charter, or are we creating an IGC statement on DRM in HTML5?</div><div style="">And if the latter, are we doing anything about EFF's Objection, which was what we were asked about in the first place?</div>
<div style="">Thank you</div><div style="">Deirdre</div><div style=""><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2013 01:54, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Catherine,<div><br></div><div>Does the EFF statement cover your concerns? </div>
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<br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><br><div><div>On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Catherine Roy wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
While I support this latest formulation by Adam as it is simple,
to the point and avoids ambiguous and perhaps (for the moment)
unprovable facts, I feel it is lacking with regards to users'
rights, which is also one of the key issues at the heart of this
whole matter. That is, as someone on the W3C restricted media
mailing list mentioned, standards should be at the margin of
debates, and if required to take part, should always, in the end,
be on the side of the user. Much like optimizing sites for
particular browsers that shut out certain users, there is a real
problem here with shutting out users who do not have the right
software/hardware from content (in this case, much of the
discussions revolve around premium content but it could extend to
any content that applies DRM). So, while I am not a wordsmith and
therefore apologize for not proposing exact wording, I would like
to see something more clear in the statement regarding users
rights and sovereignty over their euh, "equipment".<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Catherine<br>
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Catherine Roy
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On 2013-06-06 04:52, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Sala, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be honest, having to remember a url and jump off to a
separate site for such a small statement is a pain. In my
opinion, anyway. Perhaps you can see the stats on the <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> page,
how many people bother to visit vs the very large number who
read the list?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>A cleaned up version of a short statement:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) endorses
and supports the formal objection lodged by the Electronic
Frontier Foundation (EFF) <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We believe that the inclusion of digital rights management
in HTML5 has the potential to stifle innovation and we object
to the inclusion of digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We fully endorse the arguments raised by the EFF in their
statement "EFF's Formal Objection to the HTML WG Draft
Charter" <<a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/pages/drm/w3c-formal-objection-html-wg</a>></div>
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<div>The EFF statement we're considering to support is itself
long and speaks for itself. See no need to add more than
above.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Adam</div>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
wrote:</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">In case, people missed it. The revised
Statement is live at:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/112</a>
where you can add your comments and suggest text.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Sala<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:50 AM,
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear
All,<br>
<br>
Further to the discussions on the mailing list, I have
revised the first version to the one below. I have
highlighted the sentence still in contention and also note
that there are mixed reactions to the balance of the
protection of intellectual property rights through mediums
like the DRM to protect innovation and challenges to
threats of impeded "Access". This is a very interesting
debate and one I believe should be thoroughly explored by
the IGC where we can come to some common ground (if we are
able to). I have not had the time to read Frank La Rue's
new report but it would be interesting to see his report
of what the world is saying in relation to this conflict.
I am of course interested in what the IGC has to say.<br>
<br>
Roland and Avri raised some very interesting points that
deserve discussion. As we speak, the Statement will be
hosted on the Statement Workspace on the IGC website. I
have tried to capture every comment in the attached
document. I find that Statement Workspaces are far more
effective in neatly allowing people to comment on each
sentence etc, so my apologies if the attached document is
inherently messy.<br>
<br>
What are your collective thoughts on what Roland suggested
that whilst there are many battles, this is not one we
should spend time on? The key issues for your deliberation
would be:-<br>
<ul>
<li>What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights
Management?</li>
<li>What is the IGC's position on Digital Rights
Management in HTML 5?</li>
</ul><p>Thank you to all those for suggesting text and new
wordings and phrases. I have tried to capture your views
below. All the mistakes are of course mine. Let us have
your thoughts. As soon as the Statement is on the
Workspace, Norbert will inform us and this will allow us
to track comments on the revised statement.<br>
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Revised
Draft Statement on Support
for EFF’s Objection</span></u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
Civil
Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) objects to
the inclusion of
digital rights management (DRM) in HTML5. We endorse
and support the formal
objection lodged by the Electronic Frontier Foundation
(EFF) and that the draft
proposal from the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
could stifle Web innovation
and block access to content for people across the
planet.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We
believe
that the proposed standard by W3C is a serious threat
to an open and
free internet. <span style="background:yellow">The
inherent danger of the proposal would be to shut out
open source developers and
competition, destroy interoperability and lock in
legacy business models.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span style="background:yellow"><br>
</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Much
of
the developing world relies on open source developers
to enable OR
CREATE mechanisms that allow for an open environment
of sharing resources
related to agricultural practices, education, health
and diverse content. In
such regions, access to information is a challenge and
with serious resource
constraints, but it is an open and free internet (and
the resultant ease of
collaboration/sharing information) that empowers
communities.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For
the
foregoing reasons we reiterate our strong objection to
the support for DRM
technologies in HTML5, and our agreement with the
EFF's arguments in this
regard.</span></p>
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