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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>I’m not defending, just clarifying that Clapper made two separate statements. Heck, my colleagues at EFF and I have been litigating with AT&T and/or NSA since 2006. Interestingly, in the two pending actions, the government just requested the respective courts to hold them in abeyance, pending review of what Clapper will declassify and how that affects our suits.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>James S. Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Law Offices of James S. Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Culver City, CA 90230-4969<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>jstyre@jstyre.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>https://www.eff.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marilia Maciel<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 07, 2013 4:45 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; James S. Tyre<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> michael gurstein<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Now that's reassuring: Statement from James Clapper (Director of USA National Intelligence)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regardless of the involvement of companies, from the statement below it seems that is fair to conclude that:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>- The US gov thinks that it is "reassuring" to affirm that they just *intentionally* (well, if some US folks are caught on the net...) spy on non-US citizens. As a non-US citizen, that is outrageous.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>- US gov candidly recognizes that surveillance over these platforms is a cornerstone of their intelligence (in other words, that they will not stop it)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>- The mantra of "protecting the nation" from real or imaginary threats has become the justification for any policy option with extraterritorial effects. No shame, no regrets<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>- They send a clear warning (a threat?) to those that want to dig deeper into this story: "</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The unauthorized disclosure of information about this important and entirely legal program is reprehensible and risks important protections for the security of Americans". </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Are they really on the top of our list of "friendly governments"? Really?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Marília</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM, James S. Tyre <<a href="mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com" target="_blank">jstyre@jstyre.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Clapper made two separate statements.<br><br>The first relates to Wednesday's disclosure of the FISC Order to Verizon:<br><a href="http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/868-dni-statement-on-recent-unauthorized-disclosures-of-classified-information" target="_blank">http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/868-dni-statement-on-recent-unauthorized<br>-disclosures-of-classified-information</a><br><br>The second relates to yesterday's PRISM disclosures:<br><a href="http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authorized-under-section-702-of-fisa" target="_blank">http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authoriz<br>ed-under-section-702-of-fisa</a><br><br>(If the links get mangled too much, just go to <a href="http://www.dni.gov/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.dni.gov/index.php</a> and click newsroom.)<br><br>--<br>James S. Tyre<br>Law Offices of James S. Tyre<br>10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512<br>Culver City, CA 90230-4969<br>310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)<br><a href="mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com">jstyre@jstyre.com</a><br>Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation<br><a href="https://www.eff.org" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]<br>> On Behalf Of michael gurstein<br>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:34 AM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>> Subject: [governance] Now that's reassuring: Statement from James Clapper (Director of USA<br>> National Intelligence)<br>><br>> James Clapper (Director of USA National Intelligence) said in a statement, per USA Today-<br>> -the program (PRISM) has clear "limits": "It cannot be used to intentionally target any US<br>> citizen, any other US person, or anyone located within the United States."<br>><br>><br>> M<br>><br>><br>><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></body></html>