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<p>True. Do remind me to get coffee before, the next time<br>
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If there actually is a fire.. :) <br>
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--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 31 May 2013 5:09:07 AM "James S. Tyre" <jstyre@jstyre.com> wrote:</p>
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class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>A
digression, to be sure, but Suresh, it’s falsely shouting fire in a crowded
theater.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>A truly
excellent blog post on that subject is at
http://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>James S.
Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Law
Offices of James S. Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>10736
Jefferson Blvd., #512<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Culver
City, CA 90230-4969<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>jstyre@jstyre.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Policy
Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>https://www.eff.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div
style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Suresh
Ramasubramanian<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:29 PM<br><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org;
Kabani<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Faisal Hasan; Chapter Delegates; ISOC
Chapter Support<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
Re: [governance] Content filtering and jurisdiction of
cyberspace<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>This has to be handled and presented carefully.
Because Google at least has to take first amendment protections for
free speech into account when deciding what content to take
down<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The first amendment is quite broad but does have
specific limits and exceptions ("shouting fire in a crowded
theater" is an example).<br><br>The suggestion of having a local
instance of Google where a country's national censorship applies - well, it
isn't cheap or easy to do, so Google may comply, refuse to comply and get
blocked, or simply - like mainland china, where they apparently faced
attacks as well, just exit the
market.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>--srs
(iPad)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>On 31-May-2013, at 3:33, Kabani <<a
href="mailto:kabani.asif@gmail.com">kabani.asif@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Faisal,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>We can understand the problem you have
highlighted, since we are in same boat, as you also aware pakistan has
similar problem that YouTube is blocked based on the content. Till to date
google has not been able to solve the problem with
govt. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sad to hear about the deaths of people. Let us all
sit together and try to solve the issue together as one
society.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Technical and policy, advice from, community
pl.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sincerely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>On Friday, 31 May 2013, Faisal Hasan
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
Friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Bangladesh
Govt. plans to filter internet contents. We know that this option of
filtering is not a solution, instead efforts must be taken to remove
content from the source. The move actually stemmed from Google’s
refusal to take down the trailer of a religiously sensitive film from its
website <a href="http://Youtube.com">Youtube.com</a>. Bangladesh even asked
Google to install a mirror server for Bangladesh nine months ago so that
such videos could be filtered out. </span></font><font color="#333333"
face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Youtube is still
blocked in Bangladesh since last September. </span></font><font size=2
color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'> Recently,
in Bangladesh the Internet has become a double edged sword which is used
not only by activists to raise voice for legitimate reasons but also by
some bad politicians to provoke innocent people to create
deadly violence. We have already have had 'our spring' last
February. Clearly, the government is in a dire
situation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>From
our chapter we are initiating a dialogue with the government in two weeks
time. We would like to get your inputs about this issue. I know many govts
have implemented filtering like this and all most all the report I have
seen suggest that this does more harm than good for the people. The
situation in a country like Bangladesh deserves special care as there are
millions of people here who donot have basic education and are easily
agitated by inappropriate/fake content. To give you an idea about the
seriousness of the issue, I would say that in a single day in February 40
people were dead!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Please
let us know what you think can be done? What is the alternative? Does
global companies have more responsibility in making their policies such
that it takes care about issues in developing
countries?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Faisal
Hasan, PhD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font
size=3 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Internet
Society Bangladesh Dhaka
Chapter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p
class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br><br>-- <br>Sent from
iPad<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote><blockquote
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