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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>A digression, to be sure, but Suresh, it’s falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>A truly excellent blog post on that subject is at http://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>James S. Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Law Offices of James S. Tyre<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Culver City, CA 90230-4969<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>jstyre@jstyre.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'>https://www.eff.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Suresh Ramasubramanian<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:29 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Kabani<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Faisal Hasan; Chapter Delegates; ISOC Chapter Support<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Content filtering and jurisdiction of cyberspace<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This has to be handled and presented carefully. Because Google at least has to take first amendment protections for free speech into account when deciding what content to take down<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The first amendment is quite broad but does have specific limits and exceptions ("shouting fire in a crowded theater" is an example).<br><br>The suggestion of having a local instance of Google where a country's national censorship applies - well, it isn't cheap or easy to do, so Google may comply, refuse to comply and get blocked, or simply - like mainland china, where they apparently faced attacks as well, just exit the market.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>On 31-May-2013, at 3:33, Kabani <<a href="mailto:kabani.asif@gmail.com">kabani.asif@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Faisal,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We can understand the problem you have highlighted, since we are in same boat, as you also aware pakistan has similar problem that YouTube is blocked based on the content. Till to date google has not been able to solve the problem with govt. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sad to hear about the deaths of people. Let us all sit together and try to solve the issue together as one society.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Technical and policy, advice from, community pl.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sincerely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>On Friday, 31 May 2013, Faisal Hasan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Bangladesh Govt. plans to filter internet contents. We know that this option of filtering is not a solution, instead efforts must be taken to remove content from the source. The move actually stemmed from Google’s refusal to take down the trailer of a religiously sensitive film from its website <a href="http://Youtube.com">Youtube.com</a>. Bangladesh even asked Google to install a mirror server for Bangladesh nine months ago so that such videos could be filtered out. </span></font><font color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Youtube is still blocked in Bangladesh since last September. </span></font><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'> Recently, in Bangladesh the Internet has become a double edged sword which is used not only by activists to raise voice for legitimate reasons but also by some bad politicians to provoke innocent people to create deadly violence. We have already have had 'our spring' last February. Clearly, the government is in a dire situation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>From our chapter we are initiating a dialogue with the government in two weeks time. We would like to get your inputs about this issue. I know many govts have implemented filtering like this and all most all the report I have seen suggest that this does more harm than good for the people. The situation in a country like Bangladesh deserves special care as there are millions of people here who donot have basic education and are easily agitated by inappropriate/fake content. To give you an idea about the seriousness of the issue, I would say that in a single day in February 40 people were dead!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Please let us know what you think can be done? What is the alternative? Does global companies have more responsibility in making their policies such that it takes care about issues in developing countries?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Faisal Hasan, PhD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande","serif";color:#333333'>Internet Society Bangladesh Dhaka Chapter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br><br>-- <br>Sent from iPad<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>