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<p>Any censorship or liberation takes place under government oversight <br>
<br>
And china is the sort of place where the government and industry, even
private industry, are heavily intertwined, with policy decisions and
corporate interests linked to an extent that would dwarf what you routinely
rail against in the usa <br>
<br>
--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 24 May 2013 9:56:08 AM "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Without
having a lot of background I found this rather difficult to follow but
interesting as an insight into aspects of Chinese Internet politics,
governance and control.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also,
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/22/how-social-commerce-tighens-chinas-grip-on-the-internet/">http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/22/how-social-commerce-tighens-chinas-grip-on-the-internet/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p
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chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Han-Teng Liao<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 6:36
AM<br><b>To:</b> chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com<br><b>Subject:</b>
[chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A call to
"nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored
and then "liberated" in Free Weibo</span> 
<o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><p
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear all,<br><br>It might be of interest to
some of you who is analysing censorship<br>and/or ideological struggles in
mainland China.<br><br>* Zhang Hongliang (<span
style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>張宏良</span>), a leftist commentator
advocates to<br>"nationalize" major "Chinese" portal
sites such as Sina, Sohu, Biadu,<br>Netease, etc. <a
href="http://kan.wyzxsd.com/article/elite/2013/05/301838.html">http://kan.wyzxsd.com/article/elite/2013/05/301838.html</a>
For<br>an English partial translation of the article, please read:<br><a
href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/23/well-known-chinese-leftist-advocates-militarized-internet/">http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/23/well-known-chinese-leftist-advocates-militarized-internet/</a><br><br>*
The article was removed and thus censored by Sina blog and Sina
Weibo<br><br>* The article is now in Free Weibo:<br><a
href="https://freeweibo.com/weibo/3579021897679484">https://freeweibo.com/weibo/3579021897679484</a><br><br>The
questions remain: Can the US authorities ask these major
"Chinese"<br>portal sites to do what they want and what Beijing
does not want? Is it<br>likely or even possible that all these portal sites
make a concerted<br>effort declare not to follow filtering/censorship
directives altogether,<br>seeking sympathy/support from Chinese Internet
users?<br><br>Best,<br>han-teng liao<br><br>[Non-text portions of this
message have been removed]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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