Congrats to all especially to Wilson Abigaba<br>I second Ginger Paque as the non-voting chair.<br><br>Regards<br>Mwendwa Kivuva<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 May 2013 17:48, Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm reluctant to propose Charter amendments but this issue needs clarification in the Charter.<div>
I believe - open to correction - that the last time a NomCom was used the Chair was in fact one of the random selectees?</div>
<div>The pointing to the Charter of a different group feels uncomfortable to me; it would seem preferable to refer to the obvious logic of having an uneven number of members to avoid a split vote, and including someone with no responsibility to vote who can facilitate the process itself.</div>
<div>Deirdre</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 23 May 2013 10:30, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div>Carlos Vera Quintana <<a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com" target="_blank">cveraq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><div>> Usually in parliamentary practice, the non voting status means vote<br>
> ONLY when there is not a majority in the board (i.e if and only if<br>
> there is a draw in the board the chair vote to tie)<br>
<br>
</div>More relevant to the question at hand is the language in RFC 1601 where<br>
it is clear that the “non-voting chair” was in addition to the “members<br>
picked at random from a pool of volunteers”, not one of them:<br>
<br>
The IETF nomination committee is formed every year and consists of<br>
a non-voting chair designated by the Internet Society and seven<br>
members picked at random from a pool of volunteers.<br>
<br>
Yet more significantly, our Charter says about the selection of the<br>
“members selected at random”:<br>
<div><br>
A nominating committee will be composed of 5 IGC members selected<br>
at random according to the process documented in RFC3797.<br>
<br>
</div>Here is a copy of the abstract of RFC 3797:<br>
<br>
This document describes a method for making random selections in such<br>
a way that the unbiased nature of the choice is publicly verifiable.<br>
As an example, the selection of the voting members of the IETF<br>
Nominations Committee (NomCom) from the pool of eligible volunteers<br>
is used. Similar techniques would be applicable to other cases.<br>
<br>
Having reviewed all this, I'm coming to the conclusion that in view of<br>
how the word “members” is used in RFC 1601 and in RFC 3797, it is<br>
pretty clear that the practice which the drafters of this part of the<br>
Charter were intending to establish is that the “non-voting chair” is a<br>
participant in the NomCom in addition to the five “members” who are<br>
selected randomly, for a total of six participants.<br>
<div><div><br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
--<br>
Recommendations for effective and constructive participation in IGC:<br>
1. Respond to the content of assertions and arguments, not to the person<br>
2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept<br>
<br>
</div></div><br></div></div><div class="im">____________________________________________________________<br>
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
<br>
For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
<a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
<br>
Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
<br></div></blockquote></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
</font></span></div>
<br>____________________________________________________________<br>
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
<br>
For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
<a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
<br>
Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>______________________<br>Mwendwa Kivuva<br><a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br>