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This is a caricature of the post, if addressed to my email.<br>
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The 'Peculiar Internationalism' presented by McT and Mueller invite
this kind of analysis as to the general and particular state of law
and practice in the US. ON THE LOGIC used to derive this critique, I
can only wonder what the dialectic would be for critiques of the
poor Third World countries? I cannot go into this without going to
motive, and so will avoid that.<br>
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What I can say is that if asserting Peculiar Internationalism is ok,
then so is interrogating the context in which it operates. If the
response is, this is US bashing, then this is emotive and not
reason. All I can say, like the Wikileaks discussion (or to a lesser
extent Shwartz), there is a deep values divergence in practice if
the US, Wikileaks War Crime Exposure, Schwartz's Leviathan monster,
and regulatory capture. These are matters imminently within the
scope of critique of Peculiar Internationalism. This even with my
Peculiar Single Rooter position (not to be confused in ANY way with
McTim's - not ad hominem, just precise). <br>
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What concerns me about the post is the need for defensiveness on
this issue, and what this implies about the Worldview that informs
it and its relation to the Third World. This kind of
characterisation of critique simply cannot be reasoned with. Nor is
the post tangential to what happens as it informs Freedom of Speech
(media rights) in the US, which is the law under which ICANN and the
likes operate. I mention this to be absolutely clear about how
relevance here is understood. So in THIS specific context, if this
is USA bashing then I am a basher, along with many other Americans,
including the AP affected by this seizure. And no complaints should
flow when the Third World basher name calling is brought out... <br>
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As you can see, there is not much room for discussion in this vein
(except scoring political points)... <br>
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Riaz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/05/15 07:10 AM, McTim wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACAaNxjDwA0_Vzu-6HKSu=6WDBjNZs+9c4suSf+wf4oV8H2DfQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">This isn't the venue for standing against that sort of
thing...this is the CSIGC, not the Down With The USA Caucus!
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Cheers,<br>
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McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it
is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:38 PM,
Chaitanya Dhareshwar <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Anyone standing yet? I assumed the US of A to be a
country that has great respect for the Bill of Rights -
afterall it's oft cited as the cause of every major
riot, civil war, external military campaign - "need to
enforce Human Rights as per the Bill of Rights" -
coincidentally 22 hours ago I was just arguing with my
sister (she's in the US) about this very point :)</div>
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<div>-C</div>
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<div class="h5">On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Riaz
K Tayob <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div> <span> <span>How very droll... will the
American's that take their Bill of Rights
seriously please stand up... from
Guantanamo lawyers who have attorney
client privilege violated by being bugged
through to the Leviathan monster that ate
Aaron Schwartz (may he and his family know
peace), the priorities even of some
Libertarians (as I see from the outside)
are misaligned... <br>
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14 May 2013</span> <span>Last updated at
</span><span>01:29 GMT</span> </span>
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<h1>Associated Press condemns US telephone
record seizure</h1>
<div> <img alt="Man looks at his phone
outside the offices of the Associated
Press in Manhattan, New York (13 May
2013)"
src="cid:part3.00010205.06060204@gmail.com"
width="304" height="171"> <span
style="width:304px">The government would
not say why it sought the Associated Press
telephone records</span> </div>
<div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22519776#story_continues_1"
target="_blank">Continue reading the main
story</a></div>
<p>The Associated Press has described the US
government's secret seizure of its
journalists' telephone records as a "massive
and unprecedented intrusion".</p>
<p>Chief executive Gary Pruitt said AP was
told on Friday the justice department had <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ap.org/Content/AP-In-The-News/2013/Govt-obtains-wide-AP-phone-records-in-probe"
target="_blank">gathered records of
outgoing calls from more than 20 phone
lines</a>.</p>
<p>Mr Pruitt said there could be "no possible
justification for such an overbroad
collection".</p>
<p>The justice department has provided no
explanation for the seizure.</p>
<p>However, officials have previously said the
US Attorney's Office in the District of
Columbia was conducting a criminal
investigation into information contained in
an AP story last year.</p>
<p>Published in May 2012, the article was
about a CIA operation in Yemen that foiled
an al-Qaeda plot to blow up a US-bound
airplane.</p>
<span>Confidential sources</span>
<p>The story was embarrassing to the
government, coming shortly after it had
informed the public that there was nothing
to suggest any such attack had been planned,
says the BBC's David Willis in Washington. </p>
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href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22519776#story_continues_2"
target="_blank">Continue reading the main
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<h2>“<span>Start Quote</span></h2>
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<p>I am very troubled by these allegations
and want to hear the government's
explanation”</p>
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<span>Senator Patrick Leahy</span> <span>Judiciary
Committee chairman</span> </div>
<p>Records for the phone numbers of five
reporters and an editor who were involved in
the AP story were among those obtained in
April and May 2012.</p>
<p>AP said the seizure of records for general
switchboard numbers and a fax line at its
offices in New York, Hartford, in
Connecticut, Washington DC and the House of
Representatives was unusual and largely
unprecedented.</p>
<p>"There can be no possible justification for
such an overbroad collection of the
telephone communications of the Associated
Press and its reporters," <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ap.org/Images/Letter-to-Eric-Holder_tcm28-12896.pdf"
target="_blank">Mr Pruitt wrote in a
letter to US Attorney General Eric Holder</a>.</p>
<p>"These records potentially reveal
communications with confidential sources
across all of the newsgathering activities
undertaken by the AP during a two-month
period, provide a road map to AP's
newsgathering operations, and disclose
information about AP's activities and
operations that the government has no
conceivable right to know."</p>
<p>It is not clear if the records seized
included incoming calls or the duration of
the calls. Nor is it clear whether a judge
or grand jury approved the subpoenas.</p>
<p>News organisations are normally notified in
advance if the government is seeking such
information and are given time to negotiate.</p>
<p>The Obama administration has aggressively
investigated disclosures of classified
information to the media, bringing more
cases against people suspected of leaking
such material than any previous
administration, our correspondent adds.</p>
<span>'Press intimidation'</span>
<p>Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of
the investigative House of Representatives
Oversight and Government Reform Committee,
criticised the seizure of records.</p>
<p>"They had an obligation to look for every
other way to get it before they intruded on
the freedom of the press," he told CNN.</p>
<p>Senator Patrick Leahy, the Democratic
chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
said in a statement emailed to AP: "I am
very troubled by these allegations and want
to hear the government's explanation."</p>
<p>The American Civil Liberties Union accused
the Obama administration of "press
intimidation".</p>
<p>In a statement, the US Attorney's Office in
the District of Columbia insisted it took
seriously its obligations to "follow all
applicable laws, federal regulations, and
Department of Justice policies".</p>
<p>"Those regulations require us to make every
reasonable effort to obtain information
through alternative means before even
considering a subpoena for the phone records
of a member of the media," it said.</p>
<p>"Because we value the freedom of the press,
we are always careful and deliberative in
seeking to strike the right balance between
the public interest in the free flow of
information and the public interest in the
fair and effective administration of our
criminal laws," it added.</p>
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