<div dir="ltr">I also support Avri's comments on not going to other stakeholders areas,<div>not because I support the <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">Westphalian</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px"> model, but more of practical</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">ways to concentrate on the WG's business. Avri made clear that</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">she will argue for the openness and most of us also do support that, period.</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">If by some means the WG as a whole decides to close the door, unfortunately,</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">then the choice for any member is to stay or leave the WG. I don't think walking</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">out before the WG begins because of high principle and process problem</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">is the most productive way to work in a quasi multi-stakeholder setup such as</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">CSTD WG. I was also a member of CSTD WG for improvements of IGF</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">where the rule of open/close or even the status of gov vs other stakeholder</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">groups were not that clear, yet we worked together and came to consensus,</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">maybe, of course that level of consensus is not satisfactory to every member</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">of the WG as well as most stakeholder groups in their own light.</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">As Parminder said in early posting, we can and should separate the simple</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">statement asking for the openness of the WG meetings, and the selection</span></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.166666030883789px">process issue to advance.</span></font></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.166666030883789px">izumi</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/8 joy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joy@apc.org" target="_blank">joy@apc.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div>For the avoidance of doubt:<br>
<div class="im">>>> I am not interested in requests for publication of the other<br>
>>> stakeholders' selection processes.<br>
</div>relates to my bandwidth for this issue, rather than whether or not<br>
other groups should be transparent etc. There seem to be enough other<br>
civil society folks interested in pursuing it and by all means those<br>
who wish to pursue this issue should do so. Given the small number of<br>
civil society participants, my priority will be to focus on some of<br>
other substantive issues in the working group. Hence I am not<br>
interested in pursuing the specific issue of requests for publication<br>
<div class="im">of the other stakeholders' selection processes.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Joy<br>
<div><div class="h5">On 7/05/2013 3:15 a.m., michael gurstein wrote:<br>
>>> I'd also call for the meeting to be open and would want to have<br>
>>> the opportunity to discuss any rationale to the contrary. I am<br>
>>> not interested in requests for publication of the other<br>
>>> stakeholders' selection processes.<br>
><br>
> M<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message----- From:<br>
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> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of Avri<br>
> Doria Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:23 AM To: IGC Subject: Re:<br>
> [governance] CSTD WG on Enhanced Cooperation<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for calling those you disagree with hypocrites.<br>
><br>
> As far as i am concerned the members of every group are responsible<br>
> for calling for transparency within their own groups.<br>
><br>
> And what does this have to do with gendered issues (geese,<br>
> ganders?)<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 6 May 2013, at 09:41, michael gurstein wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Ah yes, we must insist on openness for the geese but not for the<br>
>> ganders or is it vice versa, I'm afraid I always forget in this<br>
>> piling of hypocrisy upon hypocrisy... or if some find this<br>
>> statement rather too bald/bold -- we must insist that you do as I<br>
>> say, not as I do...<br>
>><br>
>> M<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message----- From:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>> McTim Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:23 PM To:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; joy Subject: Re: [governance] CSTD<br>
>> WG on Enhanced Cooperation<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, joy <<a href="mailto:joy@apc.org">joy@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> Thanks for the update Avri. I'd also call for the meeting to be<br>
>>> open and would want to have the opportunity to discuss any<br>
>>> rationale to the contrary. I am not interested in requests for<br>
>>> publication of the other stakeholders' selection processes.<br>
>><br>
>> I agree with Avri and Joy!<br>
>><br>
>> -- Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where<br>
>> it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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