<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Thanks, Jeremy. That's the kind of phenomena I had in mind, some of which I believed were discussed on this list some time ago. Before FB, there was some concern that Google search engine was predominantly becoming the sole entry point to the Web (I'm not making any assertion as to whether that fear was grounded), and there will probably be other apps or Web services after FB that will be pointed to for the same problem. So FB was just an example (as was asked for) of a broader tendency which so far has most of the time been potential but which may be more qnd more actual. <br>
<br></div>So Milton, is there a problem for which you think it'd be worthwhile to make a statement that strikes the balance you're looking for between private and public aspects of the internet? I'm asking because I think it'd be good if you can put forward an alternate statement (but I guess you will only do it if you think it's worth making such statement, that is, if it serves to address some problem). Also I have been thinking of something to replace the public good and commons language while still making the point for the need to keep the plain IP capabilities in sight and as open as they were initially designed to be while discussing and making policy for IG, but of course it is not worth my time either if the opposition is total to the very notion of such statement.<br>
<br></div>Thanks,<br><br></div>Mawaki<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 29/04/13 10:37, Milton L Mueller
wrote:<br>
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<div><b><i><span>[Milton L Mueller] If most people
agree, they should be able to provide examples. Yet, I am
still waiting for specific examples. Examples of both what
specifically is meant by “reduction to closed or
proprietary online spaces”, and evidence of the “growth”
of this problem.<u></u><u></u></span></i></b><b><i><span><br>
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So far, the only concrete reference I have seen comes from
Mawaki, and it is a good example of why I am resisting
this statement. Mawaki claimed “that the internet
experience of more and more users --maybe the younger
ones-- is becoming limited to particular apps, notably
those of social media such as Facebook (FB).” Now, I am
not a Facebook member and do not particularly like that
type of online community. But I would quibble with the
definition of Facebook as “closed,” in that joining is
free and pretty much open to anyone, and using it does not
prevent anyone from accessing anything else on the
internet. FB does not alter or in any way enclose the
Internet protocols or standards.</span></i></b></div>
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I can't say if this is what Mawaki meant, but there are many mobile
Internet services around the world (including mine, Maxis here in
Malaysia) that give you free or cheaper access to Facebook than to
other social networking websites. Also, devices such as phones and
game consoles typically allow a gatekeeper to approve what apps you
can use to access the Internet. For example I have an iPhone, and I
want to use a Bitcoin client on it - but I can't, because Apple
decided I can't; and I want to install a Bittorrent app on my PS3,
but I can't, because Sony decided I can't. I presume that you have
read Zittrain's "The Future of the Internet", which although
becoming dated now gives many other examples.<div class="im"><br>
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