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<DIV>personally i am not sure about end-to-end , but I am not going to block
consensus if everyone wants it in.</DIV>
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<DIV>end to end is probably already dead.</DIV>
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<DIV>happy with the rest though.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parminder@itforchange.net
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:47 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On Wednesday 24 April 2013 08:46 AM, McTim
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<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxikBJbdjDc2O1b8cSOyQX8Kyrf8sjRhJBt6je-QajngFQ@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:05 PM, parminder <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</A> wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">On Wednesday 24 April 2013 07:54 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
I like new text as suggested by Parminder as well – but one quibble
“due democratic processes”. That sounds to me like something governments do
without consultation.
I would prefer multistakeholder processes. But as that means whatever people
want it to mean, and may not be acceptable to everyone. Perhaps something
like
“through processes involving all stakeholder groups” might be a middle
ground.
What about "through democratic processes involving all stakeholder groups".
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">I would be ok with that if we included:
"through open, bottom-up, transparent, participatory democratic
processes involving all stakeholders".</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>what about
"democratic processes, that are open and transparent, and involve all
stakeholders. (also taking note of an offline suggestion in this regard). Also
adding 'end to end'. <BR><BR><BR>The text would then be<BR><BR><BR><FONT
face=Verdana><B>"We recognise the Internet to be a global, end-to-end, network
of networks comprised of computing devices and processes, and an emergent and
emerging social reality. In that sense, it is an intricate combination of
hardware, software, protocols, and human intentionality enabling new kinds of
social interactions and transactions, brought together by a common set of design
principles. The design principles and policies that constitute Internet's
governance should be derived through due democratic processes, that are open and
transparent, and involve all stakeholders. Such principles and policies must aim
at preserving and enhancing the global commons and global public good character
of the Internet the combination of which has made previous innovations possible.
Therefore, in the face of the growing danger for the Internet experience to be
reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces, we urge the preservation and
enhancement of the Internet's global commons and public good
dimensions."<BR><BR>parminder </B></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACAaNxikBJbdjDc2O1b8cSOyQX8Kyrf8sjRhJBt6je-QajngFQ@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Wasn't it you Parminder who put in the "due democratic processes"
language in the first place? Perhaps I am misremembering.
I'm still choking on the new reality bit however.
MM is correct in that "success of the internet rests on a creative
combination of both", so we should include end-toendiness somehow.
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