<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Parminder, please check your facts before making such claims:</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">For instance, no industry representative here."</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">I know personally at least two business representatives plus one parliamentarian who also runs his own business. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">As to your question:</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">"</span><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Are you now ready to consider inclusion of 'experts' selected by politicians as enough to make things multi-stakeholder?"</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Probably as much as a selection of stakeholder reps for the IGF MAG by the UN 'black box' which has been accepted by participants in the IGF. I'm sure Wolfgang and Jeanette can say more about the selection process in the German national Internet Enquete Commission. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Regards,<br></span><br><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Peter </span></div><div><br>On 24.04.2013, at 03:54, "parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 23 April 2013 10:04 PM,
Peter H. Hellmonds wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">First of all,
the link provided is not the link to the 1200 pages report,
but to the 48 pages “executive summary”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As to the
questions about the multistakeholder nature:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="color:#1F497D">The composition of the Internet
Enquete Commission was 17 parliamentarians and 17 members
from different stakeholder groups, so this was a
multistakeholder commission. </span></p>
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Peter,<br>
<br>
(Parminder) 17 members not from other stakeholder groups, but
'experts' nominated by political parties in proportion of their
strength in the parliament, right! For instance, no industry
representative here. Are you now ready to consider inclusion of
'experts' selected by politicians as enough to make things
multi-stakeholder? If so, I can tell you that UN has endless number
of committee consisting of such experts, doing very important work.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:007801ce4040$6eff41f0$4cfdc5d0$@hellmonds@hellmonds.eu" type="cite">
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="color:#1F497D">The Internet Enquete Commission has
employed a number of innovative online participation options
giving citizens the chance to directly contribute and
comment on the proceedings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regarding
Internet Governance:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The most
relevant detailed report about International Issues and
Internet Governance is here: </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/17/124/1712480.pdf">http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/17/124/1712480.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
recommendation of this report is to keep the established
governance framework and to protect the freedom and open
character of the Internet. To assure the government is kept
abreast of changes, there shall be a regular monitoring and
reports. Multistakeholder participation in national and
international governance issues shall be further
strengthened. There shall be no new governmental or
intergovernmental Internet Governance institutions as long
as the existing institutions maintain the current way of an
open and free Internet. The Commission is of the opinion
that the current US oversight should yield to a broader
supervisory structure for ICANN and IANA</span></p>
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<br>
(Parminder) Exactly the demand of most developing countries, not a
penny more... Only, countries like India have gone further beyond
generic statements and suggested what such a broad supervisory
structure could look like. We, as in IT for Change, have tried to
present some structural possibilities and trigger a debate here in
the IGC. But coming from the Southern side, all that looks like so
explosive, betrayal and so on..... Now since a German nationally
constituted 'multi-stakeholder' commission also calls for a new
'supervisory structure' can we at least now debate the possible
contours of one...<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">and suggests
more engagement by the German government and the EU. To
enable that, German ministries should get expanded funding
to enhance their support for multistakeholder participation.
The IGF should get German funding through the trust fund
managed by UN DESA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There is a lot
more, but this summarizes some of the main points. Jeanette
has already provided some background into the general
working of the commission. I’m sure Wolfgang and Jeanette
can shed some more light on the content of the Internet
Governance debate. Throwing the text through an automatic
translation engine might also help to access its contents
for those who don’t understand sufficient German. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-- Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="DE"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>Im
Auftrag von </b>parminder<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> 22 April 2013 07:18<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [governance] The German Federal
Internet Commission Report (Der Spiegel)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 22 April 2013 02:52 AM, Lee W
McKnight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Very
interesting material. <br>
<br>
Link to final report: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/17/125/1712550.pdf" target="_blank">http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/17/125/1712550.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Perhaps IGC's own Jeanette Hoffman who participated,
might summarize the 1200 pp full report, and suggest
implications for global internet governance? : )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/special-commission-calls-for-internet-commissioner-in-germany-a-895412.html" target="_blank">http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/special-commission-calls-for-internet-commissioner-in-germany-a-895412.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><br>
<br>
While one awaits further information, one thing is clear
from the referred news item that the Commission strongly
underscored the importance of cross cutting Internet-related
public policy issues in asking the "German government to get
more serious about Internet-related issues" and in seeking
the setting up <b><i>a new committee of the parliament for
Internet-related public policy issues</i></b> . To me,
it closely parallels the Indian demand for the UN Committee
on Internet-related Policies. The overall logic and
justifications are very similar, especially with what we all
recognise as an inherently global nature of the Internet.<br>
<br>
Will be interesting to know if the prosed German
Parliamentary Committee will have similar levels of
multistakeholder engagement as the India' proposed UN CIRP.
And I quote from the CIRP proposal so that people/ we can
make a comparison. <br>
<br>
(quote from UN CIRP proposal begins)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p>It will ensure the participation of all relevant stakeholders
by establishing four Advisory Groups, one each for civil
society, the private sector, intergovernmental and
international organizations, and the technical and academic
community. The Advisory Groups will provide their inputs and
recommendations to the CIRP . The meetings of CIRP and the
advisory groups will be serviced by the UNCTAD Secretariat
that also services the meetings of the Commission on Science
and Technology for Development. The Internet Governance Forum
will provide inputs to CIRP in the spirit of complementarity
between the two. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">(ends)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>With further elaboration in the Annexure to the CIRP proposal
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><br>
(quote begins)<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><b><i>Multistakeholder participation</i></b>: Recognizing
the need to involve all stakeholders in Global Internet
Governance in their respective roles, the CIRP shall ensure
the participation of all stakeholders recognized in the
Tunis Agenda. Four Advisory Groups one each for Civil
Society, the Private Sector, InterGovernmental and
International Organisations, and the Technical and Academic
Community will be established, to assist and advise the
CIRP . These Groups would be self organized, as per agreed
principles, to ensure transparency, representativity and
inclusiveness. The Advisory Groups will meet annually in
Geneva and in conjunction with any additional meetings of
the CIRP , Their meetings will be held back to back with
the meetings of the CIRP , so that they are able to provide
their inputs and recommendations in a timely manner, to the
CIRP .<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><b><i>Links with the IGF</i></b>: Recognizing the value of
the Internet Governance Forum as an open, unique forum for
multi-stakeholder policy dialogue on Internet issues, the
deliberations in the lGF along with any inputs, background
information and analysis it may provide, will be taken as
inputs for consideration of the CIRP . An improved and
strengthened lGF that can serve as a purposeful body for
policy consultations and provide meaningful policy inputs to
the CIRP , will ensure a stronger and more effective
complementarity between the CIRP and the IGF. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">(ends)<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Lee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>]
on behalf of michael gurstein [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] The German Federal
Internet Commission Report (Der Spiegel)</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Germany. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/special-commission-calls-for-internet-commissioner-in-germany-a-895412.html" target="_blank">http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/special-commission-calls-for-internet-commissioner-in-germany-a-895412.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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