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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 19 April 2013 06:44 AM, Izumi
      AIZU wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I was late to join this very interesting debate,
        but like to share my thoughts.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>First of all, "facts" or "reality" and "principle" or
          "definition" are not the same thing in my view.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The fact that telecom is liberalized and operated by
          private companies does not always</div>
        <div>mean that the definition of telecom is totally departed
          from public good/service/ or common</div>
        <div>and became private good period. They are rather relative
          things not static and fixed, as Jeanette rightly points out.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I think privatization and introducing fair market
          competition to former monopoly would result in</div>
        <div>better "public" service in a larger view was the principle
          idea behind the liberalization of the telecom, and as
          indicated in some countries, there have been universal service
          obligation still exercised (including in my country) with
          government regulation. So facts and ideas or principles could
          be on different layers.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Second, as we all know, "Internet" is consisted of
          different layers, or set of networks. </div>
        <div>We may have different understanding of what is Internet, or
          which layer of Internet - </div>
        <div>by devices, (open and common) protocols, access services,
          or end-services, which may</div>
        <div>lead different level of (non-)excludability. </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div><br>
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        <div style="">Just making a single, simple definition might lead
          to an ambiguous phrase that mean not much, I am afraid.
           Remembering the working definition of Internet Governance in
          the WGIG days.</div>
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    <br>
    Izumi<br>
    <br>
    WGIG sought a definition of Internet governance to be able to make
    progress on what and how of IG... All such efforts are contextual
    and with different purposes. Here, with IGC, the effort is not to <br>
    define the Internet or IG, but to set up a basic advocacy principle
    on which side of what is happening, or what could happen, to the
    Internet would we like to put their weight on..... It is civil
    society's vision of the directions that the Internet should evolve
    in, and alternatively, not go towards....<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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        <div style="">izumi </div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/19 Mawaki Chango <span
              dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                <div>Corrections: "devices" instead of "artifacts" in
                  the first sentence, and in the last sentence, "global
                  Internet *governance* agenda" plus slight
                  improvements. The previous option 2 then reads:<br>
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                  We recognise the Internet to be not only a global
                  network of networks comprised of computing devices and
                  processes, but also an emergent and emerging social
                  reality. In that sense, it is an intricate combination
                  of hardware, software, protocols, human intentionality
                  enabling new kind of social interactions and
                  transactions, which is brought together by a common
                  set of design principles, and stirred by policies
                  established through due democratic processes. While
                  the design principles and policies that constitute its
                  governance should ensure its stability, functionality
                  and security, they must also aim at preserving and
                  enhancing the global commons and global public good
                  character of the Internet [which has made previous
                  innovations possible*]. Therefore, in the face of the
                  growing danger for the Internet experience to be
                  reduced to closed or proprietary online spaces, we
                  urge that the preservation and enhancement of the
                  Internet's global commons and public good dimensions
                  be at the forefront of global Internet governance
                  agenda going forward.<br>
                  <br>
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                <div>[...*] to be added as you see appropriate.<span><font
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                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at
                      1:23 PM, Mawaki Chango <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">I think 'stirred' or 'shaped' is
                          preferable to 'constrained by policies...,
                          Adding a few changes I suggest the following
                          version of the statement:<br>
                          <div><br>
                            We recognise the Internet to be not only a
                            global network of networks comprised of
                            computing artifacts and processes, but also
                            an emergent and emerging social reality. In
                            that sense, it is an intricate combination
                            of hardware, software, protocols, human
                            intentionality and a new kind of social
                            spatiality, brought together by a common set
                            of design principles, and stirred by
                            policies established through due democratic
                            processes. While the design principles and
                            policies that constitute its governance
                            should ensure its stability, functionality
                            and security, they must also aim at
                            preserving and enhancing the global commons
                            and global public good character of the
                            Internet. In the face of the danger for the
                            Internet experience to be reduced to closed
                            or proprietary spaces, we urge that the
                            global commons and global public good
                            dimensions be at the forefront of global
                            Internet agenda going forward.<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Or, paraphrasing 'social spatiality'...:<br>
                            <br>
                            We recognise the Internet to be not only a
                            global network of networks comprised of
                            computing artifacts and processes, but also
                            an emergent and emerging social reality. In
                            that sense, it is an intricate combination
                            of hardware, software, protocols, human
                            intentionality enabling new kind of social
                            interactions and transactions, which is
                            brought together by a common set of design
                            principles, and stirred by policies
                            established through due democratic
                            processes. While the design principles and
                            policies that constitute its governance
                            should ensure its stability, functionality
                            and security, they must also aim at
                            preserving and enhancing the global commons
                            and global public good character of the
                            Internet. In the face of the danger for the
                            Internet experience to be reduced to closed
                            or proprietary spaces, we urge that the
                            global commons and global public good
                            dimensions be at the forefront of global
                            Internet agenda going forward.<span><font
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                              <div>Mawaki<br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr
                                    18, 2013 at 12:34 PM, parminder <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
                                        target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                          <div>On Wednesday 17 April
                                            2013 11:57 PM, Mawaki Chango
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>So one thing is
                                                      for the caucus to
                                                      keep the
                                                      discussion on as
                                                      to where we want
                                                      to go wrt to the
                                                      issue put forth by
                                                      Parminder and
                                                      Anriette, seeking
                                                      a conceptually
                                                      robust basis to
                                                      advocate for the
                                                      public good-ness
                                                      of the internet,
                                                      etc. In that
                                                      regard, BTW, the
                                                      recently proposed
                                                      draft definition
                                                      of the internet in
                                                      a related thread
                                                      does not have to
                                                      be presented as
                                                      THE definition of
                                                      THE concept of
                                                      Internet, but a
                                                      conceptual frame
                                                      to be considered
                                                      aside other
                                                      possibly valid
                                                      definitions. Time
                                                      will tell how
                                                      pertinent that
                                                      framing might be.
                                                      Why shouldn't we
                                                      be able to do
                                                      that, especially
                                                      since we all seem
                                                      to agree, at
                                                      various degrees,
                                                      that internet
                                                      includes public as
                                                      well as private
                                                      aspects/components
                                                      (and, as Parminder
                                                      notes, we're
                                                      witnessing the
                                                      onslaught of some
                                                      of its publicness
                                                      which is of
                                                      importance in our
                                                      view)?<br>
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                                        After seeing many comments in
                                        this discussion, I think one way
                                        to go forward is to speak about
                                        "preserving and enhancing
                                        Internet's commons and public
                                        good nature" rather than
                                        declaring that the Internet is a
                                        commons and a public goods. This
                                        approach circumvents some of the
                                        problems expressed in this
                                        discussion, and makes it more
                                        aspirational (although based on
                                        some clearly established facts)
                                        rather than precisely
                                        definitional. Accordingly, I
                                        have modified the text as it
                                        last stood as follows.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Text as it stood:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <blockquote>We recognise the
                                          Internet to be an emergent and
                                          emerging reality. As a global
                                          network of networks, it is an
                                          its intricate combination of
                                          hardware, software, protocols,
                                          human intentionality and a new
                                          kind of social spatiality,
                                          brought together by a common
                                          set of design principles, and
                                          constrained by policies
                                          established by due democratic
                                          processes. We consider the
                                          Internet as a global commons
                                          and a global public good. The
                                          design principles and policies
                                          that constitute its governance
                                          should, therefore, flow from
                                          such recognition of the
                                          Internet as a commons and
                                          public good.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        Text as amended now:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <blockquote>We recognise the
                                          Internet to be an emergent and
                                          emerging reality. As a global
                                          network of networks, it is an
                                          its intricate combination of
                                          hardware, software, protocols,
                                          human intentionality and a new
                                          kind of social spatiality,
                                          brought together by a common
                                          set of design principles, and
                                          constrained by policies
                                          established by due democratic
                                          processes.  The design
                                          principles and policies that
                                          constitute its governance
                                          should principally aim at
                                          preserving and enhancing the
                                          global commons and global
                                          public goods character of the
                                          Internet.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        We may add, or not, the
                                        following, in order to make
                                        clearer the nature of the
                                        problems that we are trying to
                                        address:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        There is an increased tendency
                                        towards diminishing the
                                        non-excludablity of the Internet
                                        (through a new kind of '<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/enclosure+movement"
                                          target="_blank">enclosure
                                          movement</a>'* of the digital
                                        space) and also its
                                        non-rivalrousness (through
                                        excessive commodification),
                                        which should be stemmed. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        (* 'enclosure movement' is kind
                                        of exactly opposite to, and
                                        sought to be undone by,
                                        contemporary occupy movements)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        (text suggestion ends)<span><font
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                                            parminder <br>
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                                                      Related to that
                                                      and more generally
                                                      (and building on
                                                      Jeanette's
                                                      pertinent
                                                      observation), why
                                                      do we seem to
                                                      assume sometimes
                                                      that government
                                                      has the monopoly
                                                      of publicness (or
                                                      we equate
                                                      publicness
                                                      advocates with
                                                      government
                                                      advocates)? I
                                                      would wish to have
                                                      a clarification
                                                      once for all on
                                                      this list about
                                                      that. Who is
                                                      public? Who is
                                                      the/a guadian of
                                                      the public
                                                      interest? Is it
                                                      only the
                                                      government?
                                                      Obviously no, I
                                                      would think. Isn't
                                                      CS also about the
                                                      "public"? And yes,
                                                      doesn't market
                                                      sometimes, maybe
                                                      even often,
                                                      improve the
                                                      conditions and
                                                      circumstances of
                                                      the public? (But
                                                      is there any such
                                                      thing as pure
                                                      market, without
                                                      any help of public
                                                      concern? I would
                                                      argue no, just as
                                                      many governments,
                                                      eg, in the US and
                                                      in Brazil,
                                                      routinely show
                                                      that government
                                                      may be willing to
                                                      take private money
                                                      and undermine
                                                      itself.) <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      So (in line with
                                                      the idea that
                                                      private and public
                                                      are the opposite
                                                      ends of a
                                                      spectrum) the
                                                      question is: Under
                                                      what conditions,
                                                      and maybe to what
                                                      extent, do actors
                                                      other than
                                                      governments
                                                      contribute to the
                                                      "public" (public
                                                      good, public
                                                      interest, public
                                                      welfare or
                                                      wellbeing, public
                                                      etc.)? Does anyone
                                                      know of a
                                                      conceptual
                                                      framework that may
                                                      be pragmatically
                                                      useful, and may be
                                                      set as a reference
                                                      on the matter, in
                                                      these debates of
                                                      ours? That would
                                                      be really helpful
                                                      to prevent locking
                                                      ourselves or our
                                                      debating
                                                      challengers into a
                                                      sterile
                                                      categorization
                                                      government vs.
                                                      business, public
                                                      vs. private. <br>
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                                                    One last thing, in
                                                    our quest of (or
                                                    claim for)
                                                    scientific truths,
                                                    we can look at
                                                    history in different
                                                    ways or at different
                                                    levels: Yes, history
                                                    shows that there are
                                                    many, maybe
                                                    overwhelming,
                                                    instances where
                                                    governments failed
                                                    the public interest
                                                    and private business
                                                    delivered more good
                                                    to the public. Does
                                                    that mean private
                                                    business has always
                                                    succeeded anytime,
                                                    everywhere? What
                                                    about private
                                                    business success vs.
                                                    private business
                                                    failure? Or isn't
                                                    private business
                                                    failure possible?
                                                    History may also
                                                    show that there are
                                                    some conditions
                                                    under which private
                                                    business fails (and
                                                    fails gravely the
                                                    community that has
                                                    made them possible),
                                                    and other conditions
                                                    under which they
                                                    succeed both as
                                                    business in the
                                                    narrow sense (re.
                                                    bottom line) and as
                                                    social actors. The
                                                    truth in these
                                                    social matters is
                                                    often temporal and
                                                    contextual by
                                                    several other
                                                    dimensions. Indeed,
                                                    the fact that
                                                    certain market
                                                    liberalization has
                                                    proved to be so
                                                    successful in the
                                                    late 20th century in
                                                    the US and in
                                                    Western Europe, for
                                                    example, may or may
                                                    not be totally
                                                    unrelated with the
                                                    fact that those
                                                    markets were
                                                    previously protected
                                                    during decades
                                                    through monopoly or
                                                    various
                                                    protectionism
                                                    regimes. Even
                                                    turning the
                                                    observable (and
                                                    indisputable) facts
                                                    of the day into
                                                    a-temporal truths
                                                    may sometimes be
                                                    misleading. We will
                                                    have to be more
                                                    nuanced on that
                                                    spectrum spanning
                                                    from private to
                                                    public, putting the
                                                    facts in perspective
                                                    wrt the nature of
                                                    the actors and the
                                                    sociohistorical
                                                    context.<br>
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                                                  Best,<br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                Mawaki   <br>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at
                                                  3:29 PM, michael
                                                  gurstein <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                                          from all the
                                                          completely
                                                          gratuitous ad
                                                          hominem's --
                                                          "pursuing a
                                                          political
                                                          agenda",
                                                          "honest
                                                          debate", "you
                                                          and others who
                                                          so fervently
                                                          blah blah…",
                                                          "sane people
                                                          blah blah" and
                                                          the rather
                                                          silly attempt
                                                          to hijack a
                                                          discussion by
                                                          insisting that
                                                          his position
                                                          is
                                                          "scientific"
                                                          and thus
                                                          anyone else's
                                                          is presumably
                                                          what…
                                                          superstition?
                                                          I see little
                                                          interest or
                                                          value in
                                                          pursuing this
                                                          discussion…
                                                          That kind of
                                                          stuff may fly
                                                          in academic
                                                          environments
                                                          where grad
                                                          students and
                                                          junior
                                                          colleagues
                                                          have no choice
                                                          but to listen
                                                          and nod and go
                                                          on but is
                                                          really beyond
                                                          the pale in
                                                          the real world
                                                          except those
                                                          who get their
                                                          policy
                                                          discussions
                                                          via Faux News
                                                          etc.etc.</span></p>
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                                                        <p><span
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                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>Milton
                                                          L Mueller<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Tuesday, April
                                                          16, 2013 6:39
                                                          PM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          RE:
                                                          [governance]
                                                          Internet as a
                                                          commons/
                                                          public good</div>
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                                                          michael
                                                          gurstein [<a
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href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gurstein@gmail.com</a>]
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                                                          <p><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">And

                                                          in that
                                                          context I
                                                          pointed to the
                                                          discussion
                                                          around these
                                                          related issues
                                                          by Inge Kaul
                                                          and Joseph
                                                          Steiglitz in
                                                          the UNDP Human
                                                          Development
                                                          Index
                                                          supported
                                                          effort to
                                                          re-awaken/redefine
                                                          issues
                                                          concerning
                                                          "public goods"
                                                          and take them
                                                          out of the
                                                          dessicated
                                                          hands/minds of
                                                          the
                                                          professional
                                                          classical
                                                          (read
                                                          ideologically
                                                          Friedmanian)
                                                          economists/public
                                                          policy
                                                          geeks/academics.
                                                          And to
                                                          recreate these
                                                          notions as a
                                                          tool to
                                                          support those
                                                          looking to
                                                          protect the
                                                          public
                                                          interest from
                                                          the onslaught
                                                          of those who
                                                          would destroy
                                                          thist at the
                                                          altar of
                                                          universalized
                                                          Hobbesian
                                                          privatized
                                                          interests. </span></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>[Milton
                                                          L Mueller]
                                                          Right. So from
                                                          my perspective
                                                          you are just
                                                          flatly
                                                          admitting that
                                                          you are
                                                          pursuing a
                                                          political
                                                          agenda and
                                                          there is no
                                                          real
                                                          scientific
                                                          basis for your
                                                          claim. </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>I’ve
                                                          got an idea:
                                                          why don’t we
                                                          have an
                                                          _honest_
                                                          fact-based
                                                          debate about
                                                          the role of
                                                          the public
                                                          sector in the
                                                          Internet’s
                                                          development
                                                          and use?
                                                          Instead of
                                                          arbitrarily
                                                          attaching a
                                                          label “public
                                                          good” to it
                                                          and trying to
                                                          derive
                                                          pre-ordained
                                                          policies from
                                                          that, why
                                                          don’t you just
                                                          come out and
                                                          say, “I think
                                                          there should
                                                          be more
                                                          governmental
                                                          control,
                                                          subsidization
                                                          and regulation
                                                          of the
                                                          Internet”?
                                                          Make an honest
                                                          case for how
                                                          that will
                                                          change things
                                                          for the
                                                          better?</span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>If
                                                          we have such
                                                          an honest
                                                          debate, the
                                                          first thing
                                                          that you and
                                                          others who
                                                          believe so
                                                          fervently in
                                                          public
                                                          sector-led
                                                          development
                                                          will have to
                                                          face is that
                                                          privatization
                                                          and
                                                          liberalization
                                                          of
                                                          telecommunications
                                                          is what led to
                                                          widespread
                                                          diffusion of
                                                          telecom
                                                          infrastructure,
                                                          and that the
                                                          attendant
                                                          deregulation
                                                          and free trade
                                                          in information
                                                          and telecom
                                                          services led
                                                          to the rapid
                                                          diffusion and
                                                          development of
                                                          the internet.
                                                          And
                                                          conversely,
                                                          that 70 years
                                                          of state-owned
                                                          monopolies –
                                                          telecoms as
                                                          public good
                                                          –stunted
                                                          development
                                                          and led to
                                                          penetration
                                                          rates of 10%
                                                          of less and
                                                          waiting
                                                          periods of
                                                          sometimes 6
                                                          years simply
                                                          to get a
                                                          telephone
                                                          line. And it
                                                          is still
                                                          countries with
                                                          the least
                                                          liberalization
                                                          who have the
                                                          least-developed,
                                                          least
                                                          accessible
                                                          internet
                                                          sectors. </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>I
                                                          know that the
                                                          unparalleled
                                                          success of
                                                          neoliberal
                                                          policies must
                                                          drive
                                                          anti-neoliberals
                                                          crazy. But,
                                                          there it is:
                                                          undeniable
                                                          fact, played
                                                          out in country
                                                          after country,
                                                          year after
                                                          year, for 20
                                                          years. I am so
                                                          sorry that
                                                          reality did
                                                          not conform to
                                                          your beliefs.
                                                          I really am.
                                                          You have my
                                                          deepest
                                                          sympathy.
                                                          Those
                                                          “dessicated”
                                                          market
                                                          processes
                                                          actually
                                                          produced more
                                                          public good,
                                                          more public
                                                          benefit, than
                                                          your telecom
                                                          socialism.
                                                          Ouch. That
                                                          must hurt.
                                                          Deal with it.
                                                          </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>Typically,
                                                          sane people
                                                          adjust their
                                                          beliefs to
                                                          reality. They
                                                          do not try to
                                                          re-label
                                                          reality so
                                                          that it
                                                          conforms to
                                                          their
                                                          ideology. </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">And

                                                          to my mind if
                                                          there is a
                                                          suitable
                                                          candidate for
                                                          the type of
                                                          redifinition
                                                          in which they
                                                          are/were
                                                          engaged "the
                                                          Internet" is
                                                          surely one,
                                                          and rather
                                                          than defining
                                                          the Internet
                                                          in such a way
                                                          as to obviate
                                                          the
                                                          possibility of
                                                          it being
                                                          understood as
                                                          a global
                                                          public good,
                                                          perhaps better
                                                          to understand
                                                          how the
                                                          definiition of
                                                          the Internet
                                                          should be
                                                          recognized as
                                                          one that at a
                                                          minimum
                                                          accommodates
                                                          such notions.</span></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>[Milton
                                                          L Mueller] An
                                                          accurate,
                                                          reality-grounded
                                                          definition of
                                                          the internet
                                                          can easily
                                                          accommodate
                                                          notions of
                                                          non-proprietary
                                                          spaces,
                                                          commons,
                                                          common pool
                                                          governance, as
                                                          well as
                                                          private,
                                                          competitive
                                                          market-driven
                                                          spaces. The
                                                          whole point,
                                                          which I have
                                                          tried to make
                                                          in papers such
                                                          as this <a
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href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1828102"
                                                          target="_blank">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1828102</a>
                                                          is that the
                                                          Internet
                                                          arrived at a
                                                          very powerful,
                                                          creative
                                                          balance of
                                                          private,
                                                          competitive
                                                          and open,
                                                          public spaces.
                                                          It wasn’t
                                                          planned, it
                                                          just happened,
                                                          because it
                                                          worked. </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span>Before
                                                          you mess with
                                                          that equation,
                                                          I’d ask you to
                                                          at least seek
                                                          to understand
                                                          it. Show some
                                                          respect for
                                                          economic and
                                                          political
                                                          science,
                                                          actually READ
                                                          Ostrom and
                                                          don’t just
                                                          chant the
                                                          words
                                                          “commons,” and
                                                          “public good,”
                                                          understand how
                                                          economic
                                                          structures and
                                                          incentives
                                                          affect what
                                                          happens. Pay
                                                          attention to
                                                          the private,
                                                          competitive,
                                                          market side of
                                                          the equation,
                                                          show it some
                                                          respect, apply
                                                          labels and
                                                          concepts
                                                          critically,
                                                          testing
                                                          whether they
                                                          actually
                                                          conform to
                                                          reality. </span></i></b></p>
                                                          <p><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
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