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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Hi,<br>
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Got to run so just quick comments:<br>
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Re:<br>
"The Internet is a communications medium that allows communications between endpoints with all endpoints being equal in their potential to communicate with all other endpoints."<br>
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Comment: I understand merit of embedding end to end principle into definition; but am not sure it buys us that much at soundbite level over basic technical terminology of a 'network of networks.'
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2nd comment: for the more expansive tightened version, maybe the word <ecosystem> should be added after Internet, in 2nd sentence. To make clear that it is not just the present net of nets being spoken of.
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And of course new species and mutations are implied to be expected, in that phraseology, hence no limiting future innovation.<br>
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Lee<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2013 6:19 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Internet as a commons/ public good<br>
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<div>Mawaki et al<br>
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I think we have to operate at multiple levels of abstraction, and let the matter have some of these dynamics particularly in the exploratory stage; the broader social 'definition' (conception) vs the specific 'definition' (conception).<br>
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>From my perspective, not to speak for KB, I think there is some value in having functional understandings/approaches/worldviews/definitions for 'the Internet'. Issues are technical. These can define the realm of possibility - no VOIP layer then that feature
is not possible or rather constrained by the technical. So there IS a set of technical elements as the KB definition poses, which forms one small bubble. The is also the social constructivist type (poor term, but it suffices) approaches that sees a "regulatory"
(formal, informal rules of the 'game', or institutional forms) which is another bubble. The difficulty comes for both bubbles at the fringes/edges and also where they overlap (overlap in the sense that Lessig means, where the technical is regulatory - single
root under ICANN eg; bearing in mind the regulatory can also be technical - legal rights to go in and fix or debug elements of the hardware). Bubbles at the mid level of abstraction.<br>
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Having a clear approach on what is included in the KB type proposal, I think it would delineate more clearly what is understood/felt to be in the technical realm (with its own engineering particularities imposing limits on what is possible. Reliance on this
would make clear differences in diagnosis and prescription. The value of the KB proposal is that it sets feasible technical realms of possibility. With this clear we can all benefit from this type of clarity, recognising as I do the Lessig notion of the overlap.
There are technical elements that have governance implications that point to specific advantages (from mid-level of abstraction analysis) regarding small specialised competent country registries, the subsidiarity and decentralisation and integration that goes
with it, that are functional to the technical itself.<br>
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So, WHERE RELEVANT, the one 'definition' presuppose the other. It would go a long way to curing the interminable debates on what we mean (and we oft mean different things, and come from diverse worldviews) by Internet, the specific technical (although not completely
limited to that, if where relevant we recognise the sets/bubbles) of the overall conception of the internet governance space (including multiple stakeholders) holistically. Just in terms of scope, from the WSIS documents, we have a huge menu of issues, and
it simply means we DO need to operate at multiple levels of abstraction. <br>
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My suggestion is that both 'definitions' be worked in parallel with some sort of framing so that discussion and process wise we are more precise and clear.<br>
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Thoughts?<br>
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Riaz<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/04/20 12:45 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote:<br>
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My understanding is that we have given up defining the Internet per se (so we're not going to present this as our definition of the Internet). Therefore the focus is now on the purpose of this endeavor (which again is not to define the Internet and which I
believe has abundantly been made clear by Parminder) while avoiding any factual inaccuracy --and maybe those two things should constitute good enough measure of our acceptance. To that end, it's meaningful that the statement starts with "We recognise..." and
not "Internet is..."<br>
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Were we on the same page and am I just laboring the point?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Kerry Brown <span dir="ltr">
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I've been watching this discussion develop with interest. I've been quiet so far because I wanted to see where it was going before speaking up. I think the attempt to define the Internet as anything more than a communications medium will be too limiting at
some future date. I would prefer something very simple like:<br>
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"The Internet is a communications medium that allows communications between endpoints with all endpoints being equal in their potential to communicate with all other endpoints."<br>
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This does not limit any future changes to the way the communications happen or what is communicated. Trying to include content and purpose may at some point limit innovation. Defining the Internet this way doesn't exclude us from discussing content, commons
vs. public good etc. It just ensures that the medium itself is separate from what the medium is used for. Both will change over time. If they are linked by definition it may stifle innovation.<br>
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Kerry Brown<br>
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