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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 15 April 2013 12:14 PM,
Kettemann, Matthias (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I think we can gain much from the debate of
what the Internet is – we probably won’t find consensus, but
we will understand the Internet better. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">International law is charged, inter alia, with
regulating global public goods. These are usually defined as
non-exclusive and exhibit non-rivalry in the usage. Now,
people can be (and unfortunately are being) excluded from
(usage of) the Internet. (The non-rivalry aspect can be
interesting as an argument against artificially limiting
domain name resources and as a argument to strengthen net
neutrality). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">So I have some problems with stating that the
Internet is just one global public good like air.
Safeguarding the Internet necessitates action; safeguarding
air and water prima facie not – of corse, once they are
polluted, remedial action is required. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Would it make more sense to say that the
Internet’s stability, functionality and security (understood
as encompassing human rights-sensitivity) is a global public
good? Or is that distinction only conceptually interesting?</span></p>
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I think in getting descriptive we may open up new discussions (for
instance, 'which kinds of functionalities are included here and
which not). Now when education is considered as a public good, of
course not all kinds of education are included. Similarly, Internet
as a public good would not mean that all kinds of online games for
instance have to provided free to everyone. It only builds a certain
orientation to how we socially see the Internet, in a somewhat loose
sense. As we see basic education and health, which then determines
our policy orientation to these sectors.... In any case, I think
Internet can hardly be separated from its (basic) functionality and
seen without it, at least not for common people/ users of the
Internet. <br>
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best, parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Matthias <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
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lang="DE"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>parminder<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 15. April 2013 06:51<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [governance] Internet as a commons/
public good; was, Conflicts in Internet Governance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Anriette/ All<br>
<br>
I find this posting, and later ones in the thread very
interesting. Indeed a good amount of confusion in this
group's internal interactions owe to the fact that while we
have some broad process rules, we have very little in terms
of substance that we can take as a starting point for our
political/ advocacy work. Recognising the Internet as a
commons/ public good, and seeking that its basic governance
principles flow from such a basic understanding of the
Internet, is good and useful basic agreement to try to reach
for this group, <br>
<br>
I propose that the caucus adopts this as a/ the basic
principle for IGC's political/ advocacy work.<br>
<br>
I propose that we even go beyond and adopt a working
definition of the Internet, absence of which itself has been
identified as a major problem that renders many of our
discussions/ positions here unclear. Avri proposes the
following definition, which I find very encouraging....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Internet as an emergent, and emerging,
reality consisting of hardware, protocols and software, and
human intentionality brought together by a common set of
design principles and constrained by policies fashioned by
the stakeholders."<o:p></o:p></p>
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I propose small modifications to it <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Internet as an emergent, and emerging,
reality consisting of hardware, protocols and software,
human intentionality, and a new kind of social spatiality,
brought together by a common set of design principles and
constrained by policies fashioned by due democratic
processes."<o:p></o:p></p>
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So what I propose for this caucus to adopt is as follows<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">"We
recognise the Internet as an emergent, and emerging, reality
consisting of hardware, protocols and software, human
intentionality, and a new kind of social spatiality, brought
together by a common set of design principles and
constrained by policies fashioned by due democratic
processes. Accordingly, the Internet is to be considered as
a global commons and a global public good. The design
principles and policies that constitute the governance of
the Internet should must flow from such recognition of the
Internet as a commons and a public good."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The text can of course be improved a lot,
but I thought it is good to put forward something that the
caucus can work upon...<br>
<br>
parminder<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sunday 14 April 2013 10:28 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>The question is, what is needed to protect and strengthen the internet<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>commons?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>As Avri points out, governments have assisted the theft of the commons.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I would say that the form that this assistance takes ranges from lack of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the basic regulation that is needed to protect it to active protection<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of certain vested interests. That is why the notion of an 'unregulated'<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>internet is so problematic and why the notion of an open and unregulated<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>internet can so easily be a contradiction in terms.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>There needs to be some basic rules that makes sure that the internet<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>remains 'open and free' in a broad sense.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>The risks, or the challenges related to this is that many governments<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>approach regulation of the internet not from the perspective of<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>protecting it as a commons, but from the perspective of enabling them to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>exercise more control over internet content and use, and user behaviour.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I remain convinced that one of the difficulties in internet governance<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>is that there is a conceptual/principle deficit of some kind. Not so<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>much statement of principles that affirm freedom of expression,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>'net-neutrality', etc.. Those are good....<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I think they real deficit is in how the internet is defined, or what<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>kind of entity we understand it to be. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>When the management and supply of water is being regulated there are<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>also lots of contestation. For example between mines, communities who<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>live in the catchment area, communities who live downstream subject to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>seasonal flooding, cities and commercial farms who need dams, and nature<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>conservation and reservers, where traditional seasonal flooding is often<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>essential to the survival of many species.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Policy would generally try to understand and balance all these interests<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and will be premised on a common understanding that water is a common<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>resource. The public interest principles will be fairly easily<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>understood by most that are involved water policy and regulation. But<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>there will be lots of argument about how it is managed, and used and<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>often the wrong decisions will be made.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I just had a glance at the CGI.br principles and the IRP 10 principles<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and neither statement contains anything that suggests what the internet<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- from the perspective of it being a 'commons' or a public good - is. I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>know I have been dwelling on this ONE KEY 'principle' deficit for a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>while... but I just can't give thinking it is at the root of the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>difficulties we have in addressing the conflicts of interest in internet<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>governance.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Anriette<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On 14/04/2013 02:50, Avri Doria wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>All of the Internet, like the land world before it, was once commons. Then, as before, the rich, the powerful and greedy, with the assistance of the governments they bought, and continue to buy, began to misappropriate those commons and called it property. Each day more of that commons its stolen. Each day more of the linguistic commons is stolen and called intellectual property. The Internet commons is almost gone. This its what government do best - with some very few exceptions - assist in the theft of the commons.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I have no problem with those who create art or new Internet spaces enjoying the fruits of their creativity and inventiveness. A neologism may be owned. A new Internet space may be owned. But the language itself or the Internet should not be.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Diego Rafael Canabarro <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com"><diegocanabarro@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>At the International Studies Association Annual Convention last week in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>San<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Francisco, an official from the US Department of State said: "there's<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>no<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>commons on cyberspace". That perception is closely related to the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>conflict<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>presented by Mr. Perry bellow in this thread. I'm still struggling with<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>that assertion.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Norbert Bollow <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"><nb@bollow.ch></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>Roland Perry <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com"><roland@internetpolicyagency.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>One of the most significant I'm aware of (and I hope this is within<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the remit of your question):<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>It definitely is, and it's a conflict that I have not been<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>sufficiently<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>conscious of, so thank you very much for pointing this out!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Greetings,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Norbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>The private sector has built extensive<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>networks [fixed and mobile] using $billons of investment on which<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>their shareholders [many of whom are the consumers' pension funds]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>expect a return, versus many customers who feel entitled to have<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>unlimited usage for a relatively trivial monthly payment (which<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>they<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>sometimes dress up as "Network Neutrality").<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I post this not to support either of the above points of view, but<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>merely to inform readers of the conflict it unquestionably<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>represents.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Diego R. Canabarro<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>diego [at] pubpol.umass.edu<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>MSN: diegocanabarro [at] gmail.com<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: diegocanabarro<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Cell # +55-51-9244-3425 (Brasil) / +1-413-362-0133 (USA)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Avri Doria<o:p></o:p></pre>
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