<div dir="ltr">Thanks Fouad, who is sitting next next seat to me now.<div><br></div><div>To follow, I agree with you and that is why I added "<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">(within ICANN</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> remit)"</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">to the original question which did not contain reference to ICANN space at all if I remember</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">correctly.</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Bu even so, the use of Domain name and IP addresses do impact the end users</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">who have no idea about these explicitly.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</span></div><div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I just spoke with one guy from Brazil, received ICANN fellowship like me,</span></div><div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">who is running a small ISP in Brazil, Port Alegre, and asked him how many</span></div>
<div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">ISPs are there in Barzil. 3,000. He also mentioned about the Indian LAN House,</span></div><div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">village level Internet Cafe but providing some connectivity around, I assume</span></div>
<div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">(correct me if I am wrong), and how do you find the best interest of ISPs </span></div><div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">globally could be a challenge equally.</span></div>
<div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">izumi</span></div><div><br>
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/9 Fouad Bajwa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
One thing to remember about ICANN is that the addressing and name<br>
space is just like a phone book and there seems to be a continuous<br>
problem of falling out of scope of ICANN's mandate which remains the<br>
domain name and IP addressing space. The broader internet governance<br>
and internet public policy issues do incorporate to a certain access<br>
such critical internet resources and their sharing in discussions but<br>
I tend to become uncomfortable to how much emphasis is laid down in to<br>
ICANN as if it was responsible for engaging and providing internet<br>
access to 2 billion users. Its only one part of the stack and not<br>
actually the whole stack.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org">iza@anr.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I came to ICANN Beijing meeting, its 46th meeting since 1999.<br>
> I stopped coming to ICANN meeting after 2010 Brussels which was<br>
> 38th. So I missed almost three years, 7 meetings. I have participated<br>
> almost all ICANN meetings except 2 meeting till #36, making 34.<br>
><br>
> This time, since I am with ALS, Internet Users Network, Tokyo,<br>
> ICANN offered us the travel fund to join APRALO AGM as well<br>
> as AtLarge other activities. Thank you ICANN.<br>
><br>
> Having been away for three years from ICANN, certain portions look<br>
> very new, while other areas have not beeb changed much.<br>
><br>
> One thing in particular is, the state of activities of AtLarge seem<br>
> to be much more strengthened and well-organized than, say<br>
> 3 years ago, or let's say far more than 10 years ago when the current<br>
> ALS/RALO/ALAC structure was proposed.<br>
><br>
> A good example was the AtLarge meeting with the Board this morning.<br>
> Well attended, not in terms of numbers of the people from the Board<br>
> and in the room, but well listened, discussed, on a rather open and<br>
> equal basis between the Board and AtLarge. It may sound normal for<br>
> those who do not know much about the dynamics of ICANN, but<br>
> it is a significant change from the days I know of them, just three years<br>
> ago.<br>
><br>
> I made the following comment there.<br>
><br>
> How can AtLarge find the interest of 2 billion Internet users (within ICANN<br>
> remit)? [was asked by a Board member]<br>
><br>
> That is our mutual question or mission – if ICANN really wants to become<br>
> what it claims to be: as “bottom up and multi-stakeholder” organization,<br>
> including the users or public. ALAC's 3R White Paper is a good direction<br>
> forward.<br>
><br>
> Having AtLarge Summit with 200 or 400 people may not be a sufficient, but<br>
> necessary step. Can UN function without general assembly?<br>
><br>
> ALAC used to be an additional portion of ICANN, supplemental, but not in the<br>
> main stream – say till 3 or 4 years ago. I think it’s time to make AtLatge<br>
> as one of the three or four pillars of ICANN, mainstreaming this more.<br>
><br>
> Similar to the Civil Society engagement in IGF process, AtLarge, Individual<br>
> user component of ICANN, has been facing the challenges - especially from<br>
> other stakeholders.<br>
><br>
> It is clear now that ICANN has put more resources to AtLarge area, as well<br>
> as other areas.<br>
><br>
> YET, I also have a concern that ICANN is learning more towards the interest<br>
> of the Domain Name business, especially through the introduction of the new<br>
> gTLDs.<br>
><br>
> It really remains to be seen, and, it is quite relevant to our work here, at<br>
> IGC, as well.<br>
><br>
> Will try to write more later, I have to listen to the discussion now ;-)<br>
><br>
> izumi<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br> >> Izumi Aizu <<<br>Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo<br>Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, <br>
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