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<p>I am afraid that Jeremy does not have as much background on how
security issues and apt threats of the sort that regularly target civil
society and religious groups are mitigated through large scale
operational coordination. <br>
<br>
Maybe on a rather larger and more systematic scale than meetings in the
back room of a restaurant or over drinks in a bar, though those too
occur as a subset of such coordination. I see enough of it, across
stakeholder groups, and do my best to foster it, and here I see efforts
to split the two communities. <br>
<br>
He may not have all that much insight into isoc's functioning
either, given that his email implied an astonishing degree of hubris on
the part of an unnamed director of isoc, because of what, maybe a
difference of opinion he has with some action of isoc in this current
spat about selection of technical and academic community representatives? <br>
<br>
I suppose that statement now marks me as a 'status quoist', to
use another canting phrase I saw used in another email on the list. If
so, so be it. <br>
<br>
--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 3 April 2013 8:24:49 PM David Allen
<David_Allen_AB63@post.harvard.edu> wrote:</p>
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Many will find this a delightful 'leap of inductive reasoning' - just
the sort of advance we may expect of a most thoughtful contributor
hereon.<div><br></div><div>Notably, the ability to step back from an
immediate situation, and frame it a bit more neutrally, is one of the
tools for insight. Taking ourselves out of the immediate, so that
we may see a bit more clearly. Then the frame and its elements
may come a bit more into view. And hence more available for
discourse.<br><div><br></div><div>Whatever direction one's analysis may
go, from there.</div><div><br></div><div>(Nor is slighting, with
'dubious,' conducive to exchange. Facts, and analysis, carry
matters forward. Not
slights.)</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On
Apr 3, 2013, at 10:01 AM:</div><br
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text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><p>That is as wild a leap in inductive
reasoning as it has been my dubious privilege to see on this list. <br>
<br> And an over estimation of what civil society is capable of in this
area. <br> <br></p><div> <br
class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>On 3 April 2013 7:14:24 PM
Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy@ciroap.org> wrote:</jeremy@ciroap.org></p>
<blockquote type="cite"> <div><div><div>On 31/03/2013, at 17:35 PM,
Nick Ashton-Hart <<a
href="mailto:nashton@consensus.pro">nashton@consensus.pro</a>>
wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote
type="cite">+1</blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><div><br></div><div>On 29 Mar 2013 13:57, "McTim" <<a
href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div><div>On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy Malcolm
<<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>
wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>> Because the technical community
keeps acting against the broader public</div><div>>
interest</div><div><br></div><div>Public interest as you see it, but it
seems they have of course been</div><div>responsible for ALL of the
evolution of the highly inclusive IG</div><div>systems over many
decades. These systems have created the
most</div><div>successful, open and inclusive communications platform
in history.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>The network at my office
was put together by a local firm called Abadi IT. They did a
great job, I really can't fault them on it. It was more than just
plugging cables together, they did some custom development for us too
(using free open source software, which I insist on). We rely on
them heavily to manage the technical aspects of our connection.
And they're nice people. Their head engineer, Firdaus,
invited me to his wedding last year.</div><div><br></div><div>But we
have cause to be worried about the governance of this network. In
the lead-up to the general election (Parliament was dissolved today in
fact), here have been veiled threats against NGOs, especially on their
use of online communications. Threats have been made to invoke
laws against those who "spread false information" through blogs.
Just last week, a new independent online radio station, Free
Malaysia Radio, was subject to a DDOS attack. Pro-opposition
websites have also been targetted. Bugs have been planted, and
websites hacked. Earlier this year Malaysia's most respected
human rights NGO, Suaram, was targetted in a series of government
attacks on both their physical and online
infrastructure.</div><div><br></div><div>Firdaus insists that he can
manage such threats to our network through his
"highly inclusive systems", which appear to be an online bulletin board
and a monthly meeting of the local technical community that takes place
in the back room of a restaurant ("in which anyone can participate", he
assures us).</div><div><br></div><div>Nonetheless, we take to thinking
that the time has come for us to look beyond Firdaus and his
colleagues. The issues and forces involved are now much bigger
than they can handle. Maybe we need to get together with some
other NGOs to create a broader public interest platform through which
we can challenge the government to uphold our rights online. We
might involve human rights NGOs like Suaram, maybe the Centre for
Independent Journalism, invite the police and other government
ministries to join us in dialogue, along with representatives of the
opposition parties. We would invite representatives of Internet
providers too. And of course, we would invite Firdaus due to his
technical expertise.</div><div><br></div><div>But Firdaus might get a
little jealous of this sudden demotion, from the person who built our
network from scratch, to somebody who now is just one stakeholder
involved in its ongoing management. He might feel such umbrage at
this that he gets together with some mates from the registry that
handles our domain and some engineers at our ISP, to block the
formation of our nascent platform, claiming that
"the network we built for you was the most successful, open and inclusive that you ever had".
If the platform is formed nonetheless, he might ensure that he is
appointed to chair its meetings, would stack those meetings with his
friends, and ensure that no resolutions are made other than those that
support their own technical work.</div><div><br></div><div>Thankfully,
Firdaus wouldn't do this. He realises that just because he
built the network doesn't make him any special claim of authority
or expertise over every aspect of its governance. But then again,
Firdaus isn't isn't a Director of ISOC.</div></div><br><div> <div
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