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<DIV>Thanks Hindenburgo, glad to hear that we have a couple of experts on this
subject here in yourself and Diego.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=hindenburgo@gmail.com
href="mailto:hindenburgo@gmail.com">Hindenburgo Pires</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 25, 2013 3:40 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A> ;
<A title=suresh@hserus.net href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">Suresh
Ramasubramanian</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=pouzin@well.com href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">Louis
Pouzin (well)</A> ; <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare
convention?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Ian and Diego, thanks for sharing these documents for all members of this
list.</DIV>
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<DIV>Since 2008 I've been studying and writing about the issues Networking
Centric Warfare and Cyberwarfare:</DIV>
<DIV>- Global Internet Governance: The Representation of country toponyms in
cyberspace - <A
href="http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-270/sn-270-151b.htm">http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-270/sn-270-151b.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>I've read several articles written by the DoD’s Command and Control
Research Program (CCRP).</DIV>
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<DIV>Currently I'm interested in the area of Geography of Cyberspace by themes
of geopolitics and sovereignty in cyberspace:</DIV>
<DIV>- Interview to News Agency of Universidad Nacional de Colombia - <A
href="http://www.agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/detalle/article/hay-que-democratizar-la-internet.html">http://www.agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/detalle/article/hay-que-democratizar-la-internet.html</A> </DIV>
<DIV>- National states, sovereignty and regulation of the Internet - <A
href="http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-418/sn-418-63.htm">http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/sn/sn-418/sn-418-63.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>The "Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare"
is a very important book for the continuation of studies that has been
developing.</DIV>
<DIV>With respect to proposal "to publish an alternative version ...", the
Foreign Policy Scholars at Brookings and Peter W. Singer and Thomas Wright
wrote recently a Book and Memorandum to the President:</DIV>
<DIV>- Big Bets, Black Swans: a Presidential Briefing Book - Policy
Recommendations for President Obama’s Second Term -<A
href="http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Files/Papers/2013/1/big%20bets%20black%20swans/big%20bets%20and%20black%20swans%20a%20presidential%20briefing%20book.pdf">http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Files/Papers/2013/1/big%20bets%20black%20swans/big%20bets%20and%20black%20swans%20a%20presidential%20briefing%20book.pdf</A>
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<DIV>- "An Obama Doctrine on New Rules of War" - <A
href="http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2013/01/an-obama-doctrine-on-new-rules-of-war">http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2013/01/an-obama-doctrine-on-new-rules-of-war</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2013/3/24 Suresh Ramasubramanian <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<P>Wonderful. You have now compared bush and Obama to as choice a collection
of genocidal dictators as you can find and managed to throw in the now
obligatory big brother comparison as well <BR><BR>Purely as a history lesson
to you, Louis, concentration camps started as British internment camps for the
boer people during the boer war. Hitler extended the concept and also
introduced death camps. <BR><BR>The Soviet (and before them, Tsarist) and
Chinese labor camps were a cheap way for them to get large amounts of convict
labor to mine gold, build highways and rail lines etc in resource rich areas
with inhospitable weather. So a subtle distinction and one that wouldn't
matter much to the victims of either regime, but one that you might bear in
mind when scattering disagreeable analogies around like confetti <BR><BR>--srs
(htc one x)<BR></P>
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<P>On 24 March 2013 10:07:52 PM "Louis Pouzin (well)" <U></U>wrote:</P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#333333><FONT face=Helvetica><SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God
hath wrought”.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#333333><FONT face=Helvetica><SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">A </FONT></SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">landmark document created at the request of NATO
has proposed a set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be
conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International
Committee of the Red Cross and the US Cyber Command,
the</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><A
href="http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true"
target=_blank><I><FONT color=#fb4834><FONT style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
face=Helvetica>Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber
Warfare</FONT></FONT></I></A></FONT><SPAN><FONT face=Helvetica><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt"><FONT color=#333333><SPAN> </SPAN>analyzes
the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored
cyberattacks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><A
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href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare"
target=_blank>http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal
definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. Initiatives
belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or
violate the rules. CS doesn't have much influence, except through occasional
media power.<BR><BR>Some more frightening documents on real war:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110"
target=_blank>http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110</A><BR><BR><A
href="http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture"
target=_blank>http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture</A><BR><BR>One
may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized language to
mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated by Orwell
(newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration), nazism
special treatment (gas chamber), maoism reeducation (deportation), bushism
and obamism extraordinary rendition (torture), inter
alia.<BR><BR>Louis<BR><BR> </DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You
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<DIV dir=ltr>Professor Dr. Hindenburgo Francisco Pires<BR>Universidade do Estado
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<DIV>Instituto de Geografia</DIV>
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