Dear Dr. POUZIN<br><br>A 302 page manual for "cyber warfare"<br>I'm impressed.<br><br>I only have one problem: cyber warfare is a misnomer.<br><br><b>War</b>'s aim is "regime change" - territorial occupation or so. It was about conquest of<b> immovable property</b>.<br>
Wars in pre-industrial societies were affairs among extractive elites - hence subject to rules.<br><br><b>Raids</b>, however, to rob movable<b> property</b>, were never the object of international rules. A raider was strung up, and that was that.<br>
The problem the US has, after 9/11, was that they were trying to apply the rules of war to a raid.<br><br>Aldo<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 March 2013 17:37, Louis Pouzin (well) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pouzin@well.com" target="_blank">pouzin@well.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font color="#333333"><font face="Helvetica"><span><font style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt">As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath
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<div><span><font color="#333333"><font face="Helvetica"><span><font style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt">A </font></span><font style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt">landmark document created at the request of NATO has
proposed a set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted.
Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International Committee of the Red
Cross and the US Cyber Command, the</font></font></font></span><font style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt"><a href="http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true" target="_blank"><i><font color="#fb4834"><font style="TEXT-DECORATION:none" face="Helvetica">Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber
Warfare</font></font></i></a></font><span><font face="Helvetica"><font style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt"><font color="#333333"><span> </span>analyzes the rules of conventional war
and applies them to state-sponsored
cyberattacks.</font></font></font></span></div>
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<div><a title="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare" href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare" target="_blank">http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare</a></div>
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- - -<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have much influence, except through occasional media power.<br>
<br>Some more frightening documents on real war:<br><br><a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110</a><br>
<br><a href="http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture" target="_blank">http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture</a><br><br>One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary rendition (torture), inter alia.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Louis<br><br> </font></span></div></div><br>
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