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re CS influence, I note the Red Cross had a seat at the table while the docs were drafted or at least was on the pre-publication review list, unsure myself how they worked together.<br>
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But I would not be so dismissive of CS's ability to influence modification of part or object to certain sections. In fact, sounds like a good topic for an IGC co-sponsored workshop at IGF...assuming we don;t already have a submission coming in right on target.
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Now putting on my political and media games analyst hat...the public naming and shaming of the particular building in Shanghai full of People's Liberation Army contractors incessantly cracking government and firm systems and - borrowing?- or should I say sharing
for themselves that information, fits in context of the push towards new international law for cyber warfare.
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Which in principle may be better than the absence of such a legal framework; or granted, possibly worse when implemented in practice.
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But my comment is just that it is too soon to say how this will all play out, and we should not assume we cannot have an impact on the path.<br>
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Lee<br>
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PS: And belated warmest congratulations!!! : )<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr">
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<div><span><font color="#333333"><font face="Helvetica"><span><font style="font-size:10.5pt">As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.</font></span></font></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font color="#333333"><font face="Helvetica"><span><font style="font-size:10.5pt">A
</font></span><font style="font-size:10.5pt">landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International Committee of the Red
Cross and the US Cyber Command, the</font></font></font></span><font style="font-size:10.5pt"><a href="http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true" target="_blank"><i><font color="#fb4834"><font style="text-decoration:none" face="Helvetica">Tallinn
Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare</font></font></i></a></font><span><font face="Helvetica"><font style="font-size:10.5pt"><font color="#333333"><span> </span>analyzes the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored
cyberattacks.</font></font></font></span></div>
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<div><a title="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare" href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare" target="_blank">http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare</a></div>
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<div>Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have
much influence, except through occasional media power.<br>
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Some more frightening documents on real war:<br>
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<a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture" target="_blank">http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture</a><br>
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One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism
reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary rendition (torture), inter alia.<br>
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Louis<br>
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