<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Does this HAVE to be a workshop proposal? In nanog there are "lightning talks" .. impromptu gatherings where people can stand up, speak without slides and get feedback, I am sure if the concept doesn't catch on in the IGF there's always scope for several people to have a quiet drink in one of the several bars bali has, and spend some time discussing this.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 22-Mar-2013, at 16:06, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Would this be consistent with the IGC position that there should be fewer workshops? And how does IGC and all the usual faces packing the field with proposals <span></span>help with diversity in MS processes?<div><br></div>
<div>Adam</div><div><br><br>On Friday, March 22, 2013, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">How should these questions be taken forward?<br>
<br>
With the deadline extension, there would be time to quickly put<br>
together a workshop proposal on these matters in addition to the<br>
much more narrowly scoped workshop proposal that we have already<br>
decided on.<br>
<br>
I think that the questions are certainly important enough to<br>
justify that.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
<br>
Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'suresh@hserus.net')">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Nnenna has asked ALL the right questions.<br>
><br>
> --srs (iPad)<br>
><br>
> On 22-Mar-2013, at 13:09, Adam Peake <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'ajp@glocom.ac.jp')">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > And perhaps as a starting point, Nnenna's email from a few days ago.<br>
> ><br>
> > Adam<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > "The discussion, I think, has started. It might have taken off in a<br>
> > not-very-comfortable way, but it certainly cannot be killed off now.<br>
> ><br>
> > In many "CS"-related issues now, my ready answer is "Thanks, but no,<br>
> > thanks". And mostly because of the lack of clear principles on<br>
> > methodology. We have been in this "process" for 10 years (at least<br>
> > for some) and we still have not adopted principles for selection and<br>
> > for representation.<br>
> ><br>
> > The time for that discussion is right. We may not get a full<br>
> > consensus, but at least a partial one will help future "focal<br>
> > points". Were it not for discussions, we would not have a Charter<br>
> > as a group.<br>
> ><br>
> > Having been in a lot of "focal point" and representative "positions"<br>
> > for Africa Civil society, I can only say that a 3, 4, or 5<br>
> > principles document, that has been discussed and has met a level of<br>
> > consensus here will be VERY helpful.<br>
> ><br>
> > My thoughts are that we need to discuss methods for:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. Informing on and disseminating opportunities/positions/calls. For<br>
> > the CSTD, I actually had to tweet that I have been impressed by the<br>
> > way Anriette and the APC group shared the information. I cannot say<br>
> > if it because I am in so many mailing lists with APC folks.. but I<br>
> > can tell you that there was a "a clean, clear and determined<br>
> > decision to disseminate information".<br>
> ><br>
> > 2. Understanding of "developed and developing" nations. One may be<br>
> > tempted to follow the UN categories... but in the case of Internet<br>
> > and IG issues.. Global Information watchdogs may want to differ. I<br>
> > would love to hear others on this though<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. Gender mainstreaming. How do we ensure this in representations.<br>
> > Should we discuss a minimum quota?<br>
> ><br>
> > 4. Older vs newer blood. This is perhaps the most critical dilemma<br>
> > that any "xyz selection team or focal point" may face. Are we going<br>
> > to have the same faces (albeit with a greater tinge of gray) all the<br>
> > time? How do we strike the balance between getting newer/younger<br>
> > people to follow in our paths while maintaining legacy? What<br>
> > orientation mechanism in process, issues and manners around IG<br>
> > issues can we put in place to help people who will arrive "after<br>
> > us" to be able to follow. Most selection are looking for<br>
> > "qualified" people...<br>
> ><br>
> > 5. What will be the better choice in the cases where a choice must<br>
> > be made between experience and representation, or between<br>
> > experience and opportunity for growth?<br>
> ><br>
> > 6. Is there a certain limit (at least in the case of IG-related<br>
> > issues) to which an individual can "represent civil society"? When<br>
> > can someone say "we" and when does it need to be "I"? Will<br>
> > representation always be synonymous with "people who can travel and<br>
> > be there physically"?<br>
> ><br>
> > 7. How does "CS" curb what is beginning to appear to me as "an<br>
> > extreme need to be selected" in which I see certain names in almost<br>
> > anything that has "selection, representation and travel" attached<br>
> > to it?<br>
> ><br>
> > 8. ..... many more...:)<br>
> ><br>
> > Nnennna "<br>
<br>
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