<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Supporting proposals 1+2</div><div><div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">Vanda Scartezini</font></i></b></div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">Polo Consultores Associados</font></i></b></div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004</font></i></b></div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil</font></i></b></div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253</font></i></b></div><div><b><i><font color="#009193">Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 </font></i></b></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> quarta-feira, 20 de março de 2013 23:54<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [governance] Call for Consensus [Draft Workshop Proposals]<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">+1 proposal 1<br>+-1 proposal 2 <br><br>As for deadline extension, I already wrote in different thread, but will repeat<br>here - it will likely be extended till Mar 25, but not end of March. There might<br>
be some "flexibility" but better hurry and close it now.<br><br>This proposal is just an "expression of intent", not a detailed one.<br>Given that, I support the Proposal 1, and like to support the Proposal 2<br>
as a placeholder, but need much improvement/consensus, and in case<br>any better proposals as Adam mentioned comes out, we might even<br>withdraw this.<br><br>As for the Proposal 1, I strongly suggest to use the term "Multistakeholder"<br>
explicitly, for title, 50-character limit is just a guideline, not a strict rule, and<div>for description. It is the central word/concept of this workshop.<br><br>Also in the description, there is no mention about MSG selection as subject,<br>
but only "accountability and transparency" which may not make sense to someone<br>outside. </div><div>I also think 90 min panel format is not sufficient for this broad and important topic.</div><div style="">How about first 90 min Panel (or round table) and add second one as free-form </div><div>discussion ? We can discuss and decide this later, of course.</div><div><br></div><div style="">As for the Proposal 2, I have some question about the format of the question:</div><div style="">"<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; ">Whether traditional telecom regulations, norms
and institutions apply to the Internet or not</span>"</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">To me, this question itself is wrong. I think one camp is trying to strengthen or evolve</div><div style="">the existing (not quite "traditional" ) regulatory framework to cover new services</div><div style="">such as Internet-based ones and mobile etc. Other camp is trying to maintain</div><div style="">the existing (in a way it is also Internet tradition) non-regulatory framework </div><div style="">for Internet (critical resources and services based on Internet) especially in</div><div style="">the "global" and/or "transnational" or "cross-border" issues.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">Here, it is not "traditional or new" question, but different ideas about how state</div><div style="">sovereignty or government power should be applied on global policy issues.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">I have no alternative suggestion as yet, but making a too simplistic argument</div><div style="">may reach wrong destination, I am afraid.</div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">izumi</div><div><br><br><br><br><br>2013/3/21 shaila mistry <<a href="mailto:shailam@yahoo.com">shailam@yahoo.com</a>><br>><br>> Ooops...corrected<br>> +1 Workshop Proposal 1<br>
> +1 Workshop Proposal 2<br>> Shaila<br>><br>><br>> <br>> The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !<br>> ..................... the renaissance of composure !<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>
> From: shaila mistry <<a href="mailto:shailam@yahoo.com">shailam@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:ginger@paque.net">ginger@paque.net</a>>; Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>
> Cc: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:35 AM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: [governance] Call for Consensus [Draft Workshop Proposals]<br>
><br>> +1 Workshop Proposal 1<br>> +1 Workshop Proposal 1<br>> <br>> The journey begins sooner than you anticipate !<br>> ..................... the renaissance of composure !<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:ginger@paque.net">ginger@paque.net</a>><br>
> Cc: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>; McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:10 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [governance] Call for Consensus [Draft Workshop Proposals]<br>><br>> In that case I will support it. <br>><br>> The goal i hope for here is to bring a much larger number of organizations to the table to iron out differences over the coming months so that what we see in Bali is joint declarations of specific common grounds for consensus and enhanced cooperation, with commitments from different stakeholder groups that say we are cooperating in such and such a manner and are now sharing results and a way forward.<br>
><br>> --srs (iPad)<br>><br>> On 20-Mar-2013, at 7:35, Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:ginger@paque.net">ginger@paque.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> I certainly understand the concern expressed here about Workshop 1 on MSism. However, I think that the MAG will ask MS workshop prospective organizers to merge proposals into one more comprehensive workshop. I hope that the IGC will make this workshop proposal, so we can be involved in the eventual larger workshop.<br>
><br>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque<br>><br>> <a href="mailto:VirginiaP@diplomacy.edu">VirginiaP@diplomacy.edu</a><br>> Diplo Foundation<br>> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme<br>> <a href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/ig">www.diplomacy.edu/ig</a><br>
><br>><br>><br>> On 19 March 2013 20:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Let me explain. The first proposal is generic and will be one of many on the same subject so will most likely result in the same massive duplication of content we have seen in past IGFs<br>
><br>> It isn't something a panel or short workshop can solve or conclude either.. It is a matter for several meetings and other collaboration between stakeholders to find common ground<br>><br>> --srs (htc one x)<br>
><br>><br>><br>> On 20 March 2013 6:51:20 AM Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Same vote as McTim, -1 and +1<br>><br>> --srs (iPad)<br>
><br>> On 20-Mar-2013, at 2:47, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > -1 Workshop Proposal 1 as I would think we have far more productive<br>> > things to take on.<br>
> ><br>> > +1 Workshop Proposal #2<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > Cheers,<br>> ><br>> > McTim<br>> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
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